2023-12-07 Product Council Meeting Agenda and Notes

Owned by Alexis Manheim
Last updated: Dec 07, 2023 by Martina Schildt
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TimeItemWhoNotesDecisions and Actions
5 minAnnouncementsallNo announcements
15 minReport from Hygiene subgroup

 Martina Schildt
Paul Moeller
Brooks Travis
Alexis Manheim 

General meeting organization and planning

  • decreased time of PC meeting to one hour
  • cleaned up future topics page
  • new column: decisions and actions to follow up on


Non-PC community member suggestions page


Time zone inclusiveness, etc.

Hygiene subgroup will meet next Wednesday again to discuss further steps

Feedback: 

  • reduction of meeting time works fine - we can still have good discussions
  • Community topics: page can be advertised and we can see whether the table is fine or needs addition
    • the PC columns will be highlighted as such

30 minFollow up on Entity Management and MM SIG discussion

Jennifer Eustis Charlotte Whitt Felix Hemme Raegan Wiechert

Report on discussion at MM SIG after last week's PC meeting and next steps

  • Felix reports that MM would prefer to have Entity Management a subgroup of MM
  • example: ERM started as a subgroup of RM as well, so things can evolve
  • the Community should have the option to get involved
  • Laura is actively searching for people interested, no feedback so far
  • Charlotte suggest to start a wiki page
  • Laura: there is already a linked data wiki page - we should be careful to not confuse people
  • Felix: another observation is that there is no good information flow back from subgroups to MM SIG
    • a regular update would be needed
  • there was the idea of an Inventory oversight committee
    • not clear what the scope is and how long this would need to exists
  • Inventory and Quickmarc should stay in MM
    • but MM is open for other SIGs to provide input
  • mod-search, everything related to MARC, SRS
    • some things were developed without SME input, so the SIG should check for gaps
  • Data import and export: MM will need to coordinat efforts to stay up to date, no matter whether it will be own SIG or subgroup
    • Jennifer: for data export there is no active work; PC or MM could talk about whether a working group is needed
    • we should gather feedback from Data import members
    • Felix agrees
  • Bulk edit manages data across FOLIO
  • Jenn: for Data import there is another group formed, no pecific convener and no PO run working group
    • group by users
    • we need to understand what people get out of these groups
    • User support group has a slack channel and a wiki page: Data Import Lab Sessions
  • in different other SIGs there are assistant POs - question: would that be a way to help MM SIG manage all the different groups and topics?
    • SME co-convener would be another option that was already discussed
  • Alexis: are there concerns about size and scope of MM SIG? 
    • Christie: had many discussions around size and scope - there are no definite answers
    • development is often happening in a black box
    • Laura agrees
    • Felix in chat: +1 Christie -- MM has been a mainly informative SIG for quite some time now.
  • Jennifer: feels disconnected from development that is happening for Inventory ("where are we on the roadmap")
  • Felix: conveners can only aske for topics that should be discussed
    • can only schedule topics and try to start discussions
    • define requirements and create Jira tickets
    • maybe a person is needed that is more connected to the PO (PO assistant)
    • question: how do we get things delivered that we need urgently
  • Jennifer: mybe MM can prioritze what is needed and communicate back?
  • Charlotte: MM SIG could follow different Dashboards for e.g. Poppy
    • all Inventory development is not happening in a blackbox, but can be followed in Jira
  • Christie: some tickets got stuck in Jira
    • how can we raise awareness?
    • better communication is needed
    • question: what is the role of MM
  • Active information sharing seems to be key
  • Ian: PC and SIGs have no control over what is developed
    • community can give feedback on whether development is done as it is needed
  • Charlotte in chat: There is a new slide deck with ”Q” release high lights:

Laura E Daniels to reach out to Alvaro Lopez to help organise the linked data wiki page and new Entitiy Management pages


Entity Management will be a subgroup of MM

5 minFuture topics

all

Next meeting: SIG conveners


Chat

16:02:49 From Alexis Manheim To Everyone:
    https://folio-org.atlassian.net/wiki/display/PC/2023-12-07+Product+Council+Meeting+Agenda+and+Notes
16:10:41 From Paul Moeller To Everyone:
    https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?month=12&day=14&year=2023&p1=43&p2=33&p3=57&p4=37&iv=0
16:10:49 From Charlotte Whitt To Everyone:
    Martina, do you have the link to the list with topics for the SIG convners
16:13:54 From Tod Olson To Everyone:
    CAVAL is in Australia, she was meeting at 3AM her time.
16:13:59 From Martina Schildt | VZG To Everyone:
    Replying to "Martina, do you have..."
    
    Sure, this is the link: https://folio-org.atlassian.net/wiki/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4885680
16:14:51 From Charlotte Whitt To Everyone:
    Reacted to "Sure, this is the li..." with 👍🏻
16:15:52 From Maura Byrne To Everyone:
    +1 Jennifer
16:16:39 From Charlotte Whitt To Everyone:
    Replying to "Martina, do you have..."
    
    Oh, it was the link to the page for SIG conveners you mentioned
16:21:53 From Tod Olson To Everyone:
    This sounds like a practical way forward.
    ++no obstacle to participation.
16:22:00 From Jennifer Eustis To Everyone:
    Reacted to "This sounds like a p..." with 👍🏻
16:22:05 From Felix Hemme To Everyone:
    Reacted to "This sounds like a p..." with 👍🏻
16:22:10 From Maura Byrne To Everyone:
    Reacted to "This sounds like a p..." with 👍🏻
16:25:35 From Martina Schildt | VZG To Everyone:
    Replying to "Martina, do you have..."
    
    There is a page for SIG conveners and this one for the Community.
16:33:20 From Felix Hemme To Everyone:
    Good idea to gather feedback from the DI people.
16:36:31 From Jennifer Eustis To Everyone:
    https://folio-org.atlassian.net/wiki/display/MM/Data+Import+Lab+Sessions
16:43:24 From Paul Moeller To Everyone:
    Sorry, have to drop early
16:43:31 From Laura Daniels To Everyone:
    YES to what Christie is saying
16:43:42 From Felix Hemme To Everyone:
    +1 Christie -- MM has been a mainly informative SIG for quite some time now.
16:44:34 From Charlotte Whitt To Everyone:
    Reacted to "+1 Christie -- MM ha..." with 👍🏻
16:45:33 From Jenn Colt To Everyone:
    If there’s enough meetings for each MM related PO to rotate in on a twice per release basis and present or some similar schedule then it seems like the only reason to spin off smaller groups if for when a PO needs feedback (which they will use or not) and when users want in depth support and start something like a lab
16:49:53 From Christie Thomas (she/her) To Everyone:
    I agree with Felix and Jennifer. We frequently return to the same conversations in MM SIG because development is lagging as Jennifer said. It would be good to understand what the long term vision and goal of the project is.
16:50:22 From Maura Byrne To Everyone:
    Reacted to "I agree with Felix a..." with 👍
16:50:24 From Christie Thomas (she/her) To Everyone:
    Replying to "I agree with Felix a..."
    
    vis a vis metadata management.
16:50:31 From Jennifer Eustis To Everyone:
    Reacted to "I agree with Felix a..." with 👍
16:56:52 From Felix Hemme To Everyone:
    Khalilah is doing a good job updating about the features she and her team are working on for the next releases during the PO update.
16:56:53 From Jenn Colt To Everyone:
    That PO is coming to MM today I think?
16:57:00 From Jennifer Eustis To Everyone:
    Reacted to "Khalilah is doing a ..." with 👍🏻
16:57:45 From Charlotte Whitt To Everyone:
    + 1 Ian Walls
16:58:02 From Christie Thomas (she/her) To Everyone:
    Reacted to "+ 1 Ian Walls" with 💯
16:59:01 From Christie Thomas (she/her) To Everyone:
    Replying to "That PO is coming to..."
    
    Is this Christine? Maybe we can ask about the search results display work.
16:59:08 From Christie Thomas (she/her) To Everyone:
    Replying to "That PO is coming to..."
    
    And when and where that is happening.
16:59:08 From Jenn Colt To Everyone:
    Replying to "That PO is coming to..."
    
    yeah
16:59:37 From Charlotte Whitt To Everyone:
    There is a new slide deck with ”Q” release high lights: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1rQA7j8fqX0r0eK7DgrNJjFQHRPFGjaVXruQDc2f9WKo/edit#slide=id.g287067e84e3_1_0

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