2022-09-29 Product Council Meeting notes
Date
Attendees
- Karen Newbery
- Charlotte Whitt
- Tod Olson
- Sharon Wiles-Young
- twliu
- Alexis Manheim
- Hkaplanian
- Gang Zhou
- Owen Stephens
- Ian Walls
- Marc Johnson
- Brooks Travis
- Martina Tumulla
- Ingolf Kuss
- Aaron Trehub
- Anya
- Gang Zhou
Discussion items
Time | Item | Who | Notes |
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10 min | Announcements | All | Notes: Karen Newbery 4 kittens were abandoned at U Chicago Library Shanghai Library East looks beautiful! Morning Glory is released All PC members: From Community Council request is simple: could you please name the top three areas of greatest concern for FOLIO (or conversely, three opportunities to strengthen and improve FOLIO)? The question is deliberately open-ended, so feel free to interpret it in any way you choose. And no need for essays—in fact shorter and from the hip answers are probably better. Your responses may be anonymous or attributed, as you choose. If you are up to this, could you please send me a response by October 10? Record answers here Looking to PC to reach out to people to have a diverse response set.
Pitch for Proposed Future Builds - group led by Julie Bickle |
45 min | Council/Group Updates Technical Council Community Council Release Planning (formerly Capacity Planning) Product Owners (Will provide when able to join the meeting) | Technical Council
Product Owners
Community Council
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10 min | SIG Conversations:
| All | Have PC liaisons reached out to their groups? Mostly no. May help to share questions in advance. |
10 min | Upcoming agenda items | All | Release notes and release planning cycle - Harry (October 6 meeting) Roadmap (October 13 meeting) |
Chat Log
09:30:35 From Tiewei Liu to Everyone:
https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/tTcevvZ4GglIEHHD8ENcIw
09:31:24 From Tiewei Liu to Everyone:
news report for the opening of Shanghai Library East
09:32:53 From Owen Stephens to Everyone:
Keep the mice from eating the newspapers
09:33:10 From Harry to Everyone:
And what names will they be given?
09:33:45 From Owen Stephens to Everyone:
I used to work in a university where there was a university cat that came in and out of the library
09:35:53 From Alexis Manheim to Everyone:
That is an amazing building!
09:38:55 From Tiewei Liu to Everyone:
Yes. The building is modern style and is supported with new technology.😍
09:41:46 From Kristin Martin to Everyone:
Would you mind taking a moment to share the sites here?
09:48:56 From Charlotte Whitt to Everyone:
Saint Mary-of-the-Woods (SWOTW College) is live on FOLIO. SWOTC is implemented by Index Data. SMOTW College is a private Roman Catholic liberal arts college in Saint Mary-of-the-Woods, Indiana. Originally a college exclusively for women, it is now coeducational. It is the oldest Catholic college in Indiana and is known for the Mari Hulman George School of Equine Studies.
09:50:17 From Charlotte Whitt to Everyone:
Also mentioned Holy Cross or South Texas College are now live - implemented by Index Data. Holy Cross went 'live' earlier this year and STC in August.
09:50:49 From anya to Everyone:
Congratulations!!!
09:52:27 From Harry to Everyone:
Congratulations!
09:52:32 From Gang Zhou to Everyone:
Congratulations !
09:57:06 From Owen Stephens to Everyone:
Note that this means Open Access won't be part of Nolana as we've passed the deadline
09:57:39 From Harry to Everyone:
Thank you everyone!
09:57:43 From Karen Newbery to Everyone:
Was the settings module for GOBI approved?
09:58:54 From Marc Johnson to Everyone:
Yes, the GOBI settings module was approved
09:59:10 From Karen Newbery to Everyone:
thanks!
09:59:56 From Marc Johnson to Everyone:
There are some other modules which weren’t submitted for approval yet are targeted for Nolana.
There are ongoing conversations about what to do about those
10:01:30 From Owen Stephens to Everyone:
Ouch - that seems like a definite loop hole!
10:01:53 From Tod Olson to Everyone:
✔️
10:04:53 From Owen Stephens to Everyone:
The flip side of that should really be that ‘acceptance isn't acceptance for all time’ ... but in reality that's going to be hard line to take
10:05:04 From Marc Johnson to Everyone:
I concur with what Owen said, a few of the folks I’ve talked to are hoping the working group that Julie is starting will significantly change some of this
10:05:13 From Brooks Travis to Everyone:
What can we do to avoid the introduction of unapproved modules in existing modules?
10:05:17 From Brooks Travis to Everyone:
As a matter of policy.
10:06:52 From Brooks Travis to Everyone:
The word “dependencies” should be in there somewhere… 😕
10:07:13 From Owen Stephens to Everyone:
The TC criteria do have some mention of dependencies
10:07:54 From Brooks Travis to Everyone:
Is that clearly communicated to the developers and the POs?
10:08:15 From Brooks Travis to Everyone:
Perhaps part of the project-level DoD?
10:08:28 From Charlotte Whitt to Everyone:
Maybe a topic for an upcoming PO meeting?
10:09:09 From Brooks Travis to Everyone:
That would encourage earlier submission of new modules, I would think, as well.
10:10:14 From Brooks Travis to Everyone:
eek!
10:10:17 From Owen Stephens to Everyone:
That can't be right
10:10:31 From Marc Johnson to Everyone:
The POs were briefed on this topic when it was introduced
We could bring it up in a PO meeting. I believe the king standing PO meeting conflicts with the TC maybe?
10:10:49 From Owen Stephens to Everyone:
Just because they depend on each other doesn't mean they have to be a single module
10:11:46 From Owen Stephens to Everyone:
That's a definition of apps that I've heard used but I don't think it's universally accepted in the community
10:11:56 From Marc Johnson to Everyone:
We do have criteria for dependencies.
However the criteria only applies to new modules.
So an existing module integrating with a new one, is a significant gap.
10:12:55 From Marc Johnson to Everyone:
Also, AFAIK, there is no project-wide DoD that is reliably applied.
I believe Khalilah has been trying to improve this situation
10:13:38 From Owen Stephens to Everyone:
The discussion and experience of going through a module review recently emphasises to me that achieving a rich ecosystem of modules and module contributors is going to be difficult to impossible with the current processes and practices
10:14:11 From Brooks Travis to Everyone:
+1 Owen
10:16:38 From Marc Johnson to Everyone:
Totally agree with Owen
10:17:43 From Brooks Travis to Everyone:
😒
10:18:25 From Brooks Travis to Everyone:
😬
10:18:59 From Karen Newbery to Everyone:
Admittedly, I have not reached out yet.
10:19:02 From Brooks Travis to Everyone:
That seems reaasonable. I have not.
10:19:32 From Marc Johnson to Everyone:
I would encourage folks who are interested in the apps, modules, dependencies, releases, acceptance etc topics to volunteer for Julie’s working group
10:19:50 From Charlotte Whitt to Everyone:
+ 1 Marc
10:20:32 From Kristin Martin to Everyone:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TARb54dndusgk3BPgBBFvXWO_py39uKRHXhKd_gB_rw/edit#heading=h.m5ub9pgh9986
10:21:56 From Kristin Martin to Everyone:
https://folio-org.atlassian.net/wiki/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=2671716
10:28:12 From Charlotte Whitt to Everyone:
The planning process and the road map work also came up at yesterday’s PO meeting