2021-11-18 Product Council Meeting notes
- Kristin Martin
- Peter Murray
- Jesse Koennecke
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Attendees
Kristin Martin, Aaron Trehub, Alexis Manheim, Anya, Brooks Travis, Charlotte Whitt, Christopher Spalding, Gang Zhou, Hkaplanian, Ian Walls, Jana Freytag, Jesse Koennecke, John Ballestro, Karen Newbery, Kirstin Kemner-Heek, Kristin Martin, Marc Johnson, Martina Schildt, Martina Tumulla, Maura Byrne, Niels Erik Nielsen, Owen Stephens, Paul Moeller, Peter Murray, Sharon Wiles-Young, twliu, Thomas Risse, Tod Olson
Discussion items
| Time | Item | Who | Notes |
|---|---|---|---|
| 5 min | Announcements: | All |
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| 10 min | New functionality for FOLIO: Mod-Inventory-Update
Outcome: decision on inclusion in FOLIO | @Kirstin Kemner-HeekCharlotte Whitt | All GBV library systems are fed by a central catalog, including added and edited records; the libraries are used to this happening in realtime. The system uses software from the existing union catalog system (using the K10plus metadata standard, Index Data's open source Harvester system, and a new module being added to FOLIO. Developed jointly by GBV developers and Index Data with Charlotte Whitt as the Product Owner. This has been presented to the Metadata Management SIG. This could be useful for libraries beyond GBV. This is planned for inclusion in Lotus. This app extends the "source" declaration in Inventory (which is now either "FOLIO" or "MARC"). This doesn't impact the data flow of other apps. The discussion included how to handle deleted records. The Data Sync working group is aware of the use cases that mod-inventory-update brings up. A question about the process—is the Product Council in a position to know enough to approve this? Or do we have to trust the work of the SIGs and other groups, and what process is there for ensuring that trust? The Technical Council review process starts when a request is made from Product Council. Experience reported from Bywater-hosted FOLIO installations is that the delete process has some issues but generally works. To move forward, PC members need to review the presented material and raise objections on the Product Council Slack channel by next Tuesday, . Otherwise, lazy consensus will be assumed and PC will make the request to TC for review. |
| 20 min | People in the FOLIO project - how do we encourage more people to get engaged and help them do this? Need new Product Owners for the following areas
Outcome: discussion on ideas to increase participation in FOLIO project | Karen Newbery | What do institutions see as the hurdle to having staff serve as product owners? For some, the struggle is a protracted staffing crisis at the institution. Once libraries have implemented, do they find that they have more capacity to participate in the project? Implemented libraries aren't splitting their attention between two systems, but need work on closing gaps in workflows that resulted as part of the implementation. It would be useful to have an introduction of what it means to be a Product Owner presented to SIG members. There might be candidates that are not aware that they can be product owners. It is good for supporting professional development, and a good way for staff to learn an area of library automation. Could this be a session at WOLFcont to explain what a Product Owner does and for others to ask questions of existing product owners? |
| 20 min | WOLFCon planning: what do we want to cover at next WOLFCon: FOLIO at WOLFcon 2022 Outcome: ideas supplied to WOLFCon planning group by | All | Additions made to the FOLIO at WOLFcon 2022 document. Are there topics that cross SIGs and apps that would benefit from joint meetings? Dashboards, workflow support, design of workflows with and between apps, where there are gaps in functionality. The UI for FOLIO was designed a very long time ago, and only recently have libraries implemented and used it; do we have an opportunity to test and reconsider? |
| 20 min | Roadmap update:
Outcome: update from group on current status | Jesse Koennecke | Postponed. |
| 10 min | New agenda items | Anyone can add items to the Future Product Council Meeting Topics page. Review Agenda Setting Process page for how the Product Council agenda is set. |
Zoom meeting chat
09:32:34 From Anya to Everyone:
WOOT!
09:32:55 From Travis, Brooks L to Everyone:
Audio issues
09:33:00 From Index Data to Everyone:
:-)
09:33:10 From Harry Kaplanian to Everyone:
Great news on TAMU!
09:35:43 From Jesse Koennecke (he/him) to Everyone:
TAMU should use the yelling/shouting team to announce it.
09:36:32 From Ballestro, John J to Everyone:
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09:40:11 From Jana Freytag to Everyone:
MM SIG Notes: https://folio-org.atlassian.net/wiki/display/MM/2021-11-11+Metadata+Management+Meeting+notes
09:41:12 From Jana Freytag to Everyone:
With the presentation: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1HFmRwRobdIzZcj2sxLb9e7_zqA3ZARqbYzJ8J1GDmgs/edit?usp=sharing
09:42:05 From Jana Freytag to Everyone:
The Union catalogue is called: k10plus �
09:46:10 From Index Data to Everyone:
The Danish libraries would use DanBib (the Union Catalogue)
09:47:03 From Kirstin Kemner-Heek to Everyone:
France is using ABES a CBS instalation.
09:47:26 From Kirstin Kemner-Heek to Everyone:
New Zealand / Asutralia have a use case as well as Japan in future. e.g.
09:51:31 From Index Data to Everyone:
UXPROD-1624 - feature about deletion of instances
09:51:48 From Index Data to Everyone:
mod-inventory-update will be compliant with this new work
09:53:03 From Anya to Everyone:
You cannot delete SRS through the UI
09:54:00 From Anya to Everyone:
You can’t delete source =FOlio through the UI yet
09:54:13 From Kristin Martin to Everyone:
Thanks for clarifying.
09:58:00 From Niels Erik to Everyone:
Functional details of the module https://github.com/folio-org/mod-inventory-update/blob/master/README.md
09:59:17 From Marc Johnson to Everyone:
The TC have not started their evaluation.
The process it agreed on means that does not start until the PC makes a request
09:59:28 From Index Data to Everyone:
Here link to the TC’s document: https://github.com/folio-org/tech-council/blob/master/NEW_MODULE_TECH_EVAL.MD
10:01:25 From Travis, Brooks L to Everyone:
I’m in favor of including this
10:01:43 From Karen Newbery to Everyone:
Seconded
10:01:49 From Martina Schildt to Everyone:
Seconded
10:06:16 From Peter Murray to Everyone:
If this does no harm to libraries that don't add it...if it is additive to mechanisms that already exist...why is there a need for EVERYONE to conduct a heavy review?
10:06:49 From Kirstin Kemner-Heek to Everyone:
Thanks Charlotte!
10:07:24 From Martina Schildt to Everyone:
+1 Kristin
10:10:30 From Travis, Brooks L to Everyone:
I agree. We should decide that this is desirable functionality, as presented to the PC, and offer provisional acceptance, pending TC evaluation.
10:10:52 From Martina Schildt to Everyone:
+1 to Brooks
10:10:59 From Travis, Brooks L to Everyone:
That should be “should decide whether”
10:11:38 From Travis, Brooks L to Everyone:
A more in-depth presentation on functionality would, possibly, be helpful.
10:13:08 From Kirstin Kemner-Heek to Everyone:
We can do a demo.
10:17:54 From Jana Freytag to Everyone:
MM SIG Notes: https://folio-org.atlassian.net/wiki/display/MM/2021-11-11+Metadata+Management+Meeting+notes
With the presentation: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1HFmRwRobdIzZcj2sxLb9e7_zqA3ZARqbYzJ8J1GDmgs/edit?usp=sharing
10:21:29 From Anya to Everyone:
What channel do I ask questions on re deletion ?
10:24:45 From Ballestro, John J to Everyone:
TAMU has a faculty hiring freeze + being self-hosted we've had to hunker down and spend our time in-house.
10:29:50 From Marc Johnson to Everyone:
Anya, I suggest asking in the metadata management SIG slack channel (I believe they discussed it recently)
10:30:01 From Kristin Martin to Everyone:
Brooks is waiving two hands!
10:30:57 From Alexis Manheim to Everyone:
yes! intro to being a PO!
10:30:58 From Index Data to Everyone:
Wiki document: https://folio-org.atlassian.net/wiki/display/COMMUNITY/Getting+Started+for+Product+Owners
10:31:47 From Travis, Brooks L to Everyone:
Yeah, I find that document is useful as a reference, but it can be a bit intimidating for someone considering taking on the role.
10:34:56 From Index Data to Everyone:
Yes, very good idea Jana
10:35:33 From Karen Newbery to Everyone:
Or a "newcomers" SIG. :-)
10:35:49 From Jana Freytag to Everyone:
+1
10:48:15 From Martina Schildt to Everyone:
Wiki page to collect UX wishes: https://folio-org.atlassian.net/wiki/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4097616
10:52:02 From Aaron Trehub to Everyone:
Thanks, all--have to leave for another meeting.
10:52:14 From Tod Olson to Everyone:
@Anya: like workflow testing?
10:53:37 From Jesse Koennecke (he/him) to Everyone:
At the virtual WolfCon, people liked that cross-OLF project session.
10:53:58 From Jesse Koennecke (he/him) to Everyone:
And Mrtina's suggestion is a great follow up to that.
10:55:20 From Jesse Koennecke (he/him) to Everyone:
A day in the life of a FOLIO PO?
10:55:49 From Anya to Everyone:
+1 Jesse
10:56:03 From Peter Murray to Everyone:
Add items to the _Future Product Council Meeting Topics_ page AS WELL AS marking the page as "watched" so you get notified when additions are made.
10:56:07 From Jesse Koennecke (he/him) to Everyone:
I'll add
10:57:52 From Travis, Brooks L to Everyone:
Sorry, I need to step away before my next meeting. Thanks, everyone!
10:58:39 From Jana Freytag to Everyone:
Mee too, bye
10:58:51 From Anya to Everyone:
I need to go - thank you.
10:58:55 From Tod Olson to Everyone:
Maybe lean on a written update?
10:59:14 From Kirstin Kemner-Heek to Everyone:
Hi all, cbs2folio will be tomorrrow at 9 am ET 7 3 pm (Berlin). Zoom link will be provides in PC Channel