App Interaction will have a meeting discussing UI options for saving (e.g. save & keep editing, save & create another, etc.) on September 11th at 12pm ET. Link to mockups will be forthcoming. (The link should appear soon in the MM SIG channel as well)
Meeting logistics: Discussed shortening the PC meetings - will change from 90 min to 60 min, with meeting start at 10 am EST / 4 pm CET. Test through September.
Encouraged everyone to be responsive on Slack, in order to be more supportive of FOLIO participants following the project in different time zones.
difficult for Australian colleagues to join meetings since meeting times are often in the middle of the night; so being more responsive on slack would help
Four new PC subgroups have been formed. The purpose is to focus the work following up on WOLFCON 2023 - Overview of Subgroups:
wanted to avoid telling developers there is only one way to work with entities or one framework
want a flexible framework that all types of libraries could make use of it; a system that works for a majority of libraries & flexible enough for multiple use cases; not necessarily confined to an entities app
spreadsheet based on framework created by group
two early guidelines
use cases should not include exact language on how solution should be created, but may have language about outcome
As a (library type) I (Role) need...
Role/Library Type/Use Case Categories/Priority
spreadsheet includes use cases that are important but should not be confined to the Entities App
a miro board gives a visualization of use cases
LC BF project
key decision 1: Refactor Marva in React (tight interoperability with FOLIO)
key decision 2: Marva as a stand-alone app (available to non-FOLIO libs as a front end)
Timeline:
November 2023: Thin thread (pre-release; focus on copy cataloging English monographs; create data graph from MARC records; released to select FOLIO libs in test
about last comment; MM SIG has such a huge breadth of responsibility and adding more is a bit worrying
entity management wg was not associated with any development group & perhaps a new group needs to be more closely associated with development that is happening
do we need to ask Product Council about what it should be? Subgroup? Entirely new group? MM SIG needs to be a big part of it, but run it? Other groups have interests in this too (Acquisitions, ERM)
going back to community a good idea; this potential suite of apps will have impact across FOLIO (are we talking about a bunch of smaller apps?)
need to know more about the work that is currently happening? how are we engaging? outcome may be a number of working groups, including engagement outside MM SIG
need PC to assign developers
guidance coming from LC Marva on the thin thread work? Yes.
functionality that is coming with LC work a big part of use case discussion; trying to understand the process–are you using work of EMWG? How should we follow your work?
parallel work with LC & WG; trying to bring into alignment
not just building something that is bespoke for LC; important to have had step-back view
don't want to spin up a group that is not very closely aligned to the work being done
investigating a search option that only searches the 245
originally resource title, but issues with non-filing characters
should we concentrate on index title?
suggestion: index title if it exists; otherwise fall back on resource title
is this going to be left-anchored? keyword?
Left-anchored mostly covered by browse
if keyword, the non-filing doesn't really matter
need to make sure we account for variety of languages in initial articles
do people want it?
do find it noisy in specific searches
there is a ticket about implementing ability to do phrase search without word stemming (right now only does stemming in English)
from chat:
The MM-SIG has previously discussed: MSEARCH-463 Inventory search on Title (all) return too many results
MSEARCH-463
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Forcing exact matching with quotes is a good convention.
if we are doing a known-item search, do we expect it to be left-anchored or keyword?
leaning toward left anchored
from chat:
I'd rather have left anchored : right now I hate having to look for 'national geographic' and getting 100s of hits
I hate having to look for "Language" the linguistic journal
Another example: yesterday I was looking fo database record for 'American west' and got 3000 hits
how does it rank results? Is default sort relevancy?
is the place to start "search on index title if it exists and left-anchored"?
yes and then have it somewhere where we can play with it and see if it's returning what we want and tune it more if necessary
is there a comprehensive list of search enhancements requests? Need some context. Can put a page in wiki that outlines some of the decisions and the work we are thinking of (Christine Schultz-Richert)
Chat:11:08:09 From Jennifer Eustis to Everyone: searching 11:10:30 From Jacquie Samples -- Duke to Everyone: Thanks for the nice words on the theme and pictures, Charlotte! 11:10:40 From Charlotte Whitt to Everyone: Reacted to "Thanks for the nice ..." with ❤️ 11:11:47 From Lisa F. (TAMU Cat) to Everyone: Besides catalogers, who has a vested interest in EM, that we could pull in? 11:11:48 From Jacquie Samples -- Duke to Everyone: There is so many connections to MM-SIG, and all the other products you mentioned Reagan. 11:11:53 From Jacquie Samples -- Duke to Everyone: Reacted to "Besides catalogers, ..." with 👍🏼 11:15:09 From Ann-Marie to Everyone: Doug, I’m assuming that there’s guidance and feedback coming from LC/MARVA on the thin thread/Quesnalia work - is that right? 11:17:49 From Steven Folsom (he/him/they/them) to Everyone: While there is active development, without EM, how does the broader FOLIO community engage with the work? Is it MM-SIG in the meantime? 11:18:02 From Steven Folsom (he/him/they/them) to Everyone: (Christie beat me to the question. 🙂 ) 11:19:16 From Jacquie Samples -- Duke to Everyone: Excellent point, Christie! 11:19:18 From Christie Thomas (she/her) to Everyone: Sorry. I am done with my questions. 11:21:25 From Rita Albrecht to Everyone: I agree with Ann-Marie 11:22:06 From Lisa F. (TAMU Cat) to Everyone: Don't forget to consider query searching 11:22:41 From Lisa F. (TAMU Cat) to Everyone: 'Title starts with' ? 11:22:42 From Rita Albrecht to Everyone: We do both - Keyword an phrase 11:23:07 From Rita Albrecht to Everyone: should read "and" between ... 11:23:56 From Jacquie Samples -- Duke to Everyone: And probably the title "The" 😂 11:25:53 From Rita Albrecht to Everyone: Our catalogers sort the articles out - in all languages 11:26:28 From Charlotte Whitt to Everyone: Reacted to "Our catalogers sort ..." with 💯 11:27:05 From Lisa F. (TAMU Cat) to Everyone: Well, for the catalogers, most of the time we know exactly what we are looking for , so I want to search the 245 title, not the others. 11:27:28 From Doug Loynes to Everyone: Need to drop - TY! 11:27:39 From Jacquie Samples -- Duke to Everyone: Thanks Doug!! 11:29:48 From Charlotte Whitt to Everyone: The MM-SIG has previously discussed: MSEARCH-463 Inventory search on Title (all) return too many results 11:30:46 From Steven Folsom (he/him/they/them) to Everyone: Forcing exact matching with quotes is a good convention. 11:31:46 From Raegan Wiechert to Everyone: MSEARCH-463
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Getting issue details...STATUS 11:33:09 From Charlotte Whitt to Everyone: Reacted to "Forcing exact matchi..." with 👍🏻 11:34:23 From Lisa F. (TAMU Cat) to Everyone: I'd rather have left anchored : right now I hate having to look for 'national geographic' and getting 100s of hits 11:35:29 From Lynne Fors to Everyone: I agree with Lisa. I hate having to look for "Language" the linguistic journal 11:36:22 From Lisa F. (TAMU Cat) to Everyone: Another example: yesterday I was looking fo database record for 'American west' and got 3000 hits 11:42:42 From Nancy Lorimer to Everyone: and in Canada too!