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Agenda Nov 30th 2022

Convener: Martina T.

Notetaker: Martina S.

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Agenda items

1. Development progress - ERM sprint 154

2. Implementer topic: Transferring agreement lines between agreements

   1. Please read and add your scenarios to the document at: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hGDR2v6JOP2zOO2J8_REFG6b0ndfPyOgV3hUpkDL5hg/edit?usp=sharing

Minutes

Development progress

• through Nolana bugfest: found a severe issue

  • when things a running at the same time there are issues

  • e.g. when doing a harvest into local KB and applying a setting to set up proxy URLs at the same time → creates problems

  • Owen talks to release manager to decide on what to do and whether problem can be fixed before relase of Nolana

• in Agreements - local KB: separating out e-resources vs. package search | ongoing work

• Morning Glory Hotfix work going on at the same time | deadline is extended to unknown date

Announcement: FOLIO Forum today at 11 am ET

• Introducing the Open Access App

• Owen will present on OA 

• registration link: https://openlibraryfoundation.zoom.us/webinar/register/WN_cXCEN_ZBRoWaHc6IuzxhsQ
  
  

Transferring agreement lines between agreements

• when provider releases an updated version of a package and deprecates existing package | #4 in the document

  • one option: be able to edit the package information on the AGL

    • but changing a resource after creation is like changing a resource after invoicing

    • does not seem like a good idea

    • history gets lost

  • Sara: what is in the KB is a representation of what we buy | it is not what we buy

    • a KB seldom represents 100% what libraries are subscribing to because packages change over time

  • Jack in chat: I'd agree with that - especially as an eHoldings user where we're reliant on the outside entity (EBSCO) to determine what the resource actually is and can't negate it locally
    
    

  • second option: move agreement line

  • third option: agreement line | thereby history can be kept

  • should be the least possible work for the user | no matter what the solution will look like

• new use case by Sara: individual SAGE journal subscription - move to database model | #8 in the document

  • new agreement will be created

  • old resource in old AGL will be deselected

  • the old AGL should preserve the history

• Kristin in chat: This would be more a scenario that you link to a selected title, but then deselect it because something else in the KB replaces it for access reasons, right?
  
  

  • resources can be removed from holdings in eholdings, but will still be on the AGL | will then display with holding status "deselected" on the AGL

• Felix: If I remember correctly, then it was an intentional decission from eHoldings to not store data about e-resources in FOLIO. So we should touchbase with Khaliah or some folks from Ebsco and tell them about the requirement.
  
  

  • that is correct | ERM team had discussions with Khalilah

• Journal moves to a new publisher | #5 in the document

  • not dissimilar to #8

  • move AGLs (may or may not need a new agreement)

  • might be a new POL or not - it depends on the exact use case

  • Jack in chat: Using eHoldings this presents a similar problem - the actual title entry in the KB cant be used since it's specific to the old publisher
    
    

  • Sara in chat: Yes, also important for PCA
    
    

• Move a journal subscription from one subscription agent to another | #6 in the document

  • Move AGL from one agreement to another

  • would likely have a new POL | there may be exceptions though

    • Kristin in chat: You could have the same POL but change the vendor. When SWETS went bankrupt, we didn't change the POLs, we updated the vendor.

  • might want to preserve some information from the AGL, e.g. notes

  • could be the same resource but a different agreement

• In subscribed collection a number of resources get transferred to a "purchase" for perpetual access | #7 in the document

  • typical model for streaming video and some ebook packages

  • the original agreement is usually for a complete collection

  • at some point some resources are transferred to real purchases

  • currently only way would be to create a new agreement and add details to it

  • question: which information do you want to have a copy of - would be another disussion - a session on itself

Next step: Owen will come up with a proposal to discuss in the SIG again.

Chat

14:10:38 From Owen Stephens To Everyone:
    https://openlibraryfoundation.zoom.us/webinar/register/WN_cXCEN_ZBRoWaHc6IuzxhsQ
14:17:17 From Sara Colglazier (MHC/5C) To Everyone:
    Yes, it was I
14:23:14 From Jack Mulvaney To Everyone:
    I'd agree with that - especially as an eHoldings user where we're reliant on the outside entity (EBSCO) to determine what the resource actually is and can't negate it locally
14:38:50 From Kristin Martin To Everyone:
    This would be more a scenario that you link to a selected title, but then deselect it because something else in the KB replaces it for access reasons, right?
14:44:05 From Felix Hemme (ZBW) To Everyone:
    If I remember correctly, then it was an intentional decission from eHoldings to not store data about e-resources in FOLIO. So we should touchbase with Khaliah or some folks from Ebsco and tell them about the requirement.
14:47:03 From Jack Mulvaney To Everyone:
    Using eHoldings this presents a similar problem - the actual title entry in the KB cant be used since it's specific to the old publisher
14:49:51 From Sara Colglazier (MHC/5C) To Everyone:
    Yes, also important for PCA
14:51:03 From Jack Mulvaney To Everyone:
    Yes
14:51:35 From Kristin Martin To Everyone:
    You could have the same POL but change the vendor.
14:52:16 From Kristin Martin To Everyone:
    When SWETS went bankrupt, we didn't change the POLs, we updated the vendor.

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