[Ros, Amanda L] 09:59:23
I got elected to an Ifla committee, so I will be going to my first if look conference this summer, and it's going to be in Rotterdam. [Magda Zacharska] 09:59:26
Oh, Uhhuh! [Magda Zacharska] 09:59:34
Oh, it is exciting! [Erin Nettifee] 09:59:35
Oh, that's exciting! [Ros, Amanda L] 09:59:36
Yeah, but it overlaps with Wolfcon. [Ros, Amanda L] 09:59:39
I was kind of excited that I was gonna do my first Wolfcon and my boss is like Wolfcon Rotterdam, Chicago, Rotterdam. [Ros, Amanda L] 09:59:49
He's like, go to Rotterdale. [Erin Nettifee] 09:59:50
Welcome. Yeah, we'll call it gonna be interesting, because, like Stanford, people are gonna be able to go, because that's their implementation. [Erin Nettifee] 09:59:57
It's like that week, you know. So it's there's gonna be some scattered necessary. [Ros, Amanda L] 09:59:57
Hello! [Ros, Amanda L] 10:00:02
Yeah. But anyway. [Erin Nettifee] 10:00:02
I think, but yeah, no go to Europe is work paying. [Erin Nettifee] 10:00:08
I hope they're paying for your flight. [Ros, Amanda L] 10:00:08
They're they're paying for most of it, because I didn't know I was gonna get nominated. [Ros, Amanda L] 10:00:14
And I didn't know I was gonna win the election. [Ros, Amanda L] 10:00:15
So I went to Core Forum for Ala, and spent part of my funding that we get in October. [Erin Nettifee] 10:00:22
You start. [Ros, Amanda L] 10:00:25
So, however, one of my friends who left our university has decided she's going to so I'll have a roommate so that will definitely cut down. [Erin Nettifee] 10:00:33
Oh, there you go! [Ros, Amanda L] 10:00:37
But I'll be going to Brussels for a pre-meeting, and then to Rotterdam for a week. [Erin Nettifee] 10:00:45
What committee are you on? [Ros, Amanda L] 10:00:47
I got aed to the Subject Access Committee. [Erin Nettifee] 10:00:53
Okay, what does that committee do? [Ros, Amanda L] 10:00:54
The subject well, the subject, analysis and Access committee, so basically stuff dealing with subject headings. [Erin Nettifee] 10:01:03
Okay. [Ros, Amanda L] 10:01:03
And you know, and stuff like that. So and I think I'm going to be presenting on holocaust denial literature. [Erin Nettifee] 10:01:15
Nice! That's exciting! [Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:01:21
So see, I just finished up the 3 21 notes. [Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:01:28
So does that mean after today I'm 3 weeks behind, or was there one that was? [Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:01:34
Is it? 3 weeks of notes? 3 meetings. [Magda Zacharska] 10:01:34
I'll let. I don't let me double check when. [Erin Nettifee] 10:01:41
Somebody else did did a week. They thought. [Magda Zacharska] 10:01:43
Last week. Jennifer was coming to take notes. [Magda Zacharska] 10:01:50
If you are in March when the second, then there's 1, 2! [Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:01:58
2. Then there's 2. [Magda Zacharska] 10:02:01
Hold on in the wrong place. Yeah. Twenty-first. [Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:02:03
Okay. Okay. [Magda Zacharska] 10:02:08
So, but they see. Yes, the second was handled by a Jennifer. [Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:02:08
The fourth, and the second. [Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:02:12
Okay. [Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:02:15
Oh! The fourth! [Magda Zacharska] 10:02:17
So it's on the one. Yes, I was worried. We scared you off, and you will never show up again. [Magda Zacharska] 10:02:23
No. [Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:02:24
No, I just been caught up with some other thing. [Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:02:27
I have I couldn't make the other meeting last week, so I apologize and then I'm just behind. [Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:02:32
So I'm fine continuing. [Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:02:39
If you still have me. But if someone! [Magda Zacharska] 10:02:41
If you, if you can continue, that would be awesome. If it's too much, feel free to to let us know, and we will try to find maybe all the meeting by meeting basis for volunteers. [Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:02:56
Yeah, whatever works best for the group. But I'm willing to continue doing what I've been doing. [Ros, Amanda L] 10:03:03
Well, I say, thank you, Bob. This is the most organized folio group that I go to, because every all the others are like, Okay, who wants to be? [Ros, Amanda L] 10:03:15
Note taker who wants to be note taker, and I'm like, why can't we do like we do, and bulk at it? [Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:03:17
I know, I always yeah. [Ros, Amanda L] 10:03:19
But see, I have a slight disability, so I only type with one hand, so I do not ever volunteer to take notes, because I'm just yeah. [Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:03:27
Well, it's a lot easier doing it after the fact. [Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:03:30
Yeah. Thomas, I love your Thomas. I love your picture. [Ros, Amanda L] 10:03:32
But thank you. [Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:03:36
That looks so real. I thought you were. You were live for a second. [Thomas Trutt] 10:03:40
Thanks to sign on our trip, someone snap! I was staring off into nothing. That's why other people were complaining about that. [Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:03:43
Yeah. [Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:03:49
Alright, I'm sorry. Hi! Digress! [Thomas Trutt] 10:03:52
It's okay. [Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:03:53
Yeah. [Magda Zacharska] 10:03:57
Let me share my screen, and we can start the meeting, and I cannot see the button for sharing my screen. [Magda Zacharska] 10:04:17
Okay. [Magda Zacharska] 10:04:29
Can you see my screen? And you should see the agenda? [Erin Nettifee] 10:04:32
Yes, yup! [Magda Zacharska] 10:04:37
Perfect, because this is another parts, and I'm sharing the right screen or not. [Magda Zacharska] 10:04:48
And. [Magda Zacharska] 10:04:53
Here we go. So let's start with the house, keeping, as always. [Magda Zacharska] 10:05:01
Please add your name to the attendees list. I know the transcript is enable. [Magda Zacharska] 10:05:09
Thank you very much, Bob, for taking notes again. We really appreciate that. [Magda Zacharska] 10:05:17
And the question I would like to post to the group is about the. [Magda Zacharska] 10:05:24
User acceptance testing for Poppy. I really liked what we did in our Kate when we devoted one of our meeting. [Magda Zacharska] 10:05:34
And it's a group exercise. So someone was making it back editing while other were watching this was very helpful for me. [Magda Zacharska] 10:05:46
Would that work for the group, or would you rather have? [Magda Zacharska] 10:05:50
An environment available for longer type and time, and do it by yourself. [Jennifer Eustis] 10:06:01
That works for me. I like doing it with the groups, because besides, everyone that's looking at youth, and you know, it's like running on a chalkboard. But yeah, that sounds good. [Magda Zacharska] 10:06:13
And for. [Leeda Adkins] 10:06:13
Yeah, I'd like I'd like that, too. [Magda Zacharska] 10:06:18
Great. Thank you very much for me. This was very helpful just to observe you how you work with it. [Magda Zacharska] 10:06:26
With the app. So if we can do this again, that would be. [Magda Zacharska] 10:06:31
That would be great would next meeting, which is May thirtieth. Day after memory. [Magda Zacharska] 10:06:39
Are we in Memorial Day work for this group, or would you rather do it? On June thirteenth? [Ros, Amanda L] 10:06:47
May works for me. [Jennifer Eustis] 10:06:51
May works for me too. [Leeda Adkins] 10:06:52
Meet me too! [Magda Zacharska] 10:06:57
Great. I rather have it earlier than later. So thank you. [Magda Zacharska] 10:07:07
Then, is there anything else you would like to bring up before we move to the agenda? [Magda Zacharska] 10:07:19
Okay. I will skip through the development status and scrambled, and the scrum board feel free to access the snapshot and see how the suppressing of the item records from discovery works. [Magda Zacharska] 10:07:37
Other bugs bug fixes, but I don't want to show that we are going through the issues brought up by the. [Magda Zacharska] 10:07:52
A user acceptance testing for orchid. And hopefully, Jira will open before the end of the meeting. [Magda Zacharska] 10:08:00
I don't know why it's so slow when I'm starting to screen. [Magda Zacharska] 10:08:06
Anyway, if you click the link you'll see the progress we are doing on the issues race. [Magda Zacharska] 10:08:15
During the last user acceptance testing. [Magda Zacharska] 10:08:24
I really don't know why it takes so long. [Magda Zacharska] 10:08:29
Oh! Here we go! So there were 8 issues that we brought up. [Magda Zacharska] 10:08:36
We addressed that sticky columns, the that the log, the columns on the log page fixed the birth date that was showing the time, and the incorrect sort order on the log scene. [Magda Zacharska] 10:08:57
We will talk about a reordering columns alphabetically today. [Magda Zacharska] 10:09:05
Time permitting, and we still need to talk about the instance. [Magda Zacharska] 10:09:11
And featuring by start and then date. Hopefully, we will be able to do this in in terms. [Magda Zacharska] 10:09:23
Are you rearranged a little bit order of of the meeting? [Magda Zacharska] 10:09:28
I would like to quickly go through it. Follow up on the issues we discussed last time the behavior of finds and replace mainly find part of the fight and replace and find and remove actions. [Magda Zacharska] 10:09:50
I also would like to follow up on the suppressing IP. [Magda Zacharska] 10:09:55
S when suppressing holdings. This was something we talk a little bit in slack, and my journey of the time I would like to spend on the bucketed permissions because we've been. [Magda Zacharska] 10:10:06
We have this on agenda for a while, and we always run out of time. [Magda Zacharska] 10:10:13
So I would like this to to be addressed today and the time permitting, we will go back to questions from the Dev team, the follow up also from our last last week. [Magda Zacharska] 10:10:28
So at first suppressing items, while suppressing holdings. [Magda Zacharska] 10:10:36
When we discussed this in slack, the consensus was that you would like to have this configurable. [Magda Zacharska] 10:10:45
Let me like me, set it to presenter mode. [Magda Zacharska] 10:10:49
So it is easy to. Can you see that? [Jennifer Eustis] 10:10:58
It's a little small. [Erin Nettifee] 10:11:00
We do that control? [Magda Zacharska] 10:11:04
Hold on, yeah, and let's meet control plus. But I don't know if I oh, okay, well, then, okay. [Erin Nettifee] 10:11:06
No, this is a screenshot, but I'm not sure, though. [Erin Nettifee] 10:11:15
Can I have this? Yeah, that didn't really, that didn't really do anything alright, whatever. [Magda Zacharska] 10:11:21
So there are 2 parts that I would like to propose. [Magda Zacharska] 10:11:28
This is, for this is for suppressing holdings, record. [Magda Zacharska] 10:11:38
Let me make it a little bit bigger, maybe one more time, and. [Magda Zacharska] 10:11:48
So is, does it work for you, or? [Jennifer Eustis] 10:11:52
Yes, thank you. Malika. [Erin Nettifee] 10:11:53
Yeah, that's better. Yeah. [Magda Zacharska] 10:11:55
And so the behavior is the same as suppressing items from discovery. [Magda Zacharska] 10:12:04
The option is suppressed from discovery, option set and set set through our set phones the same way. [Magda Zacharska] 10:12:14
This is done for items, and here is the option. [Magda Zacharska] 10:12:20
For the checkbox applied to the item record item items, records. [Magda Zacharska] 10:12:27
Or whatever the verb it should be. This is one option and the other option. [Magda Zacharska] 10:12:35
And let me escape, and the other option would be to. [Magda Zacharska] 10:12:47
To just add to additional options. One sets through and set false, and this would be holdings online, are set to set falls, including items which one of which of those 2 options would work for you better. [Magda Zacharska] 10:13:10
Oh, of course we can change the verbiage that would make a more sense for you. [Magda Zacharska] 10:13:16
So 2 options, one action menu with 2 values set through and set, falls with check box. [Magda Zacharska] 10:13:28
That will let the like librarian know or decide if they want to also apply the changes to underlying item records. [Magda Zacharska] 10:13:37
Or to additional options in the dropdown menu. [Jennifer Eustis] 10:13:45
So pardon me, kind of like the box. So the first option, because I can see here, and this happens to me a folio all the time like I go, and especially in Lotus, I would edit in quick mark, and I would end up deriving a new record [Jennifer Eustis] 10:14:05
instead of, you know, because they're right next to each other. [Jennifer Eustis] 10:14:07
And this happens with items to like sometimes. I you know, I like what missing, and it goes to the other status so I think, having the checkbox to the right would kind of may help with that. [Jennifer Eustis] 10:14:23
But I you know it's people want this way, you know. [Jennifer Eustis] 10:14:28
I could be swayed that way, too, and I think the having the checkbox. [Jennifer Eustis] 10:14:36
It kind of. You're still working with holdings and then it's like this is an extra item. [Jennifer Eustis] 10:14:42
So, anyway, that's those are my thoughts. [Magda Zacharska] 10:14:47
Looking at the trial that did. Looks like a majority of you are in favor of checkbox. [Magda Zacharska] 10:14:55
If someone has. Hmm feels this is not a how they would like to proceed. [Magda Zacharska] 10:15:05
Please, pick up. [Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:15:10
Can I just ask a quick question because I'm confused if you are supporting a item Bre. [Magda Zacharska] 10:15:23
When you are suppressing item record. [Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:15:25
I'm sorry when you suppress all, when you suppress a holdings. [Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:15:31
Wouldn't the items automatically be suppressed because you can't have a hold it an item without a holding display? [Magda Zacharska] 10:15:41
So this was my original assumption that this is what will happen, that once we suppress holding, so, it will also suppress items. [Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:15:41
Obviously maybe missing something. I'm sorry. [Magda Zacharska] 10:15:59
And this is kind of straightforward. The question is, what would be the expected behavior? [Magda Zacharska] 10:16:07
Once you unsuppress them, because you may want to have a situation that you are unsuppassing holdings, but you would still like to have at least some of the items unsuppressed. [Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:16:08
Oh! Oh! [Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:16:23
Alright. I follow you now. Thank you. [Thomas Trutt] 10:16:34
I'm not sure if they do it anymore. One of the practices that they used to do here is they would suppress the bid holding and item records just to make sure everything was suppressed, even though, like if the baby is suppressed. [Thomas Trutt] 10:16:47
This is the the holdings and items were suppressed. [Thomas Trutt] 10:16:51
If the holdings was suppressed, the Admins were surprised, but they would go through and suppress all 3 layers, just as a precaution. [Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:16:55
Yeah. [Ros, Amanda L] 10:16:55
Yeah, we did that, too, with voyager. [Magda Zacharska] 10:16:58
So this is how also it works in Oapm age, when when the item is suppressed, everything is marked as suppressed as well. [Magda Zacharska] 10:17:08
When we harvest, and when when we get to suppressing instances, we will also implement the behavior. [Magda Zacharska] 10:17:18
So following the suppression is kind of straightforward, the problem starts when you unsuppress. [Magda Zacharska] 10:17:26
What do you do with the items underneath? [Magda Zacharska] 10:17:29
Because you may have a use case that the item is the instance is unsuppressed, and one holdings remains to press, and the other holding is not so. [Magda Zacharska] 10:17:43
I like the checkbox idea. We will. We will have it available. [Magda Zacharska] 10:17:50
Okay, let's move to the next question. This was, Let me speed this. [Magda Zacharska] 10:17:57
This was related to search, but not to search, find. When we were talking last time about the supported. [Magda Zacharska] 10:18:14
Supported actions for notes, item notes, and we talk about find and to the place functionality. [Magda Zacharska] 10:18:26
And we got stuck on a little bit on how the find should behave. [Magda Zacharska] 10:18:36
So I think this was the last slide we talk. [Magda Zacharska] 10:18:40
What would be the behavior on find and replace? [Magda Zacharska] 10:18:44
Find and replace. This is one part and the other one is, find and remove. [Magda Zacharska] 10:18:49
If we find a note, then we are when we find a match we are removing entire amount, and I think this was the group agreement that this is the expected behavior. [Magda Zacharska] 10:19:03
We talk about the matching? How the matching will work, and after some, thank you I thought we need to make it as strict as possible without any white cards, etc., to avoid inadvertently making changes or deleting records that we were not wanted to so this will [Magda Zacharska] 10:19:38
be exact, string much. If in the example that I have here we have item with actually 3 checking notes shelved in a special reserves with, We don't shelved with a period shelved in special reserves without period, and the heavy [Magda Zacharska] 10:20:06
underlying and highlighting. If we are looking for special reserves with periods, this will only match the first. [Magda Zacharska] 10:20:20
The same behavior would be if, instead of there was a space. [Magda Zacharska] 10:20:30
Any question on this case. Sensitive. I would like to do this case. [Magda Zacharska] 10:20:38
Sensitive to be as restrictive as possible. [Thomas Trutt] 10:20:39
Okay. [Thomas Trutt] 10:20:43
Okay, I think as long as that's clear. [Thomas Trutt] 10:20:46
I think a lot of people usually assume that it's case. [Thomas Trutt] 10:20:48
Insensitive, but I I would make sure. [Magda Zacharska] 10:20:50
I the good thing about bug edit is that you have this preview screen. [Magda Zacharska] 10:20:59
When you will see that you, for example, did not change something that you expected. [Thomas Trutt] 10:21:05
Right. [Magda Zacharska] 10:21:07
So I rather make it as restrictive as possible, and then users will update. [Magda Zacharska] 10:21:15
They find or do it in few, few few runs, instead of having it to relax, and then and make expected changes. [Magda Zacharska] 10:21:28
I see I'm under his handout. Go ahead! [Ros, Amanda L] 10:21:31
In terms of case sensitivity. Aren't these being selected from a pre-populated list that the library has? [Magda Zacharska] 10:21:45
Did the notes? No, because the notes is free entry text. [Ros, Amanda L] 10:21:47
Okay. [Ros, Amanda L] 10:21:51
True. Okay. Yeah. [Magda Zacharska] 10:21:52
You can have everything. So in this case, whatever you type in the text box will be selected. [Magda Zacharska] 10:22:03
And here is additional example. So we have again the same item with 3 notes. [Magda Zacharska] 10:22:10
We are looking for special reserve. [Magda Zacharska] 10:22:16
That would replace the special reserve and preserving us, and periods. [Ros, Amanda L] 10:22:28
I don't know. I I would like case insensitivity, simply because, as we're talking about notes being free tech. [Ros, Amanda L] 10:22:42
Everyone I've ever worked in, including the one that I'm at now. [Ros, Amanda L] 10:22:47
There's always been some sort of inconvenience. See? It could be a typo. [Ros, Amanda L] 10:22:52
It could be the over time we've changed what we do for a note, you know, so I would. [Ros, Amanda L] 10:23:03
I would vote for case insensitivity, just so that it would. [Ros, Amanda L] 10:23:09
It would allow for if somebody typed in reach room with a capital R, because that's the name of the location, or if somebody had put in a note and either forgot to hit the shift when they put waiting room in, or you know, so. [Magda Zacharska] 10:23:25
Hmm! [Ros, Amanda L] 10:23:31
That's my thought on that, because I know that with free text, there's always gonna be inconsistency. [Magda Zacharska] 10:23:43
How other feel a about that? [Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:23:48
I know in our old system, you know, we were often want to make things consistent, and would search for things that were not correct in terms of the case. [Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:24:02
Case, upper or lower. So I would wanna be able to search specifically for lowercase or uppercase to fix them. [Magda Zacharska] 10:24:12
I would like to make sure that we are not talking here about searching for records we are searching for a strength that we would like to replace. [Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:24:24
Yeah. [Magda Zacharska] 10:24:26
So this is not you already identified the records you want to update. [Magda Zacharska] 10:24:34
This is for looking for a strength, and as if if in the search, you may want to be more flexible. [Magda Zacharska] 10:24:47
Finding the string that will determine if the record is, if they're not, is removed, or if the tax is replaced, I don't want to be too flexible. [Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:24:54
I see. [Magda Zacharska] 10:25:03I rather have the user do it twice, because. |