[Robert rscheier@nelib.org] 10:02:48
Okay. [Robert rscheier@nelib.org] 10:02:56
Hey? That's going! [Magda Zacharska] 10:02:58
Hold on 1 s. I'm having problems with. I share this one. [Magda Zacharska] 10:03:05
Can you see? What can you see? Can you see the which of my screens? [Magda Zacharska] 10:03:13
Not Miss Option. [Robert rscheier@nelib.org] 10:03:13
It's black. [Erin Nettifee] 10:03:15
I can't see anything yet. It says it's started screen sharing. There it is. [Thomas Trutt] 10:03:19
There it goes! [Amanda Ros (she/her)] 10:03:19
There we go the notes in the minutes. [Magda Zacharska] 10:03:23
Okay, that's the right. Thanks. That's the right screen. [Magda Zacharska] 10:03:33
And we start with housekeeping. As always. [Magda Zacharska] 10:03:39
Please add your name to the attendees lists, and I see the transcripts is enabled. [Magda Zacharska] 10:03:50
Is there anything else anyone would like to bring up before we move on? [Magda Zacharska] 10:04:02
Development status. The I'm a little bit hesitant to talk about development status, and I will tell why in shortly. We did a lot of progress on the on the query tool. [Magda Zacharska] 10:04:22
Part, however, it's only the ui you can. Everything. What you see. [Magda Zacharska] 10:04:29
It's the driven by equal. [Magda Zacharska] 10:04:37
I think this will do our with. [Magda Zacharska] 10:04:44
Oh, yeah, this is not implemented. And anyway, everything. [Magda Zacharska] 10:04:50
What you see here is driven by Ui! There is no back end for this. [Magda Zacharska] 10:04:57
Right now, and the implementation of the backend most likely will not make into the puppy. [Magda Zacharska] 10:05:09
Release. The reason for this is that the team that is working on bog edit is also working on Oapmh and data export. [Magda Zacharska] 10:05:22
Both of those areas are needed for consortium support and for Library of Congress. [Magda Zacharska] 10:05:31
So the plan is that the team will speed their responsibility into those 3 areas which lesson the time we can spent on pocket. [Magda Zacharska] 10:05:47
It. We will be doing, we will be adding functionality, and for the poppy release. [Magda Zacharska] 10:05:57
This is the most pessimistic view that we will do. [Magda Zacharska] 10:06:06
Those 2 features finish the ui, the front end development for a query tool, and we will do the suppression of the item records from discovery. [Magda Zacharska] 10:06:16
And this will be for. [Magda Zacharska] 10:06:21
There are couple of features that are stretch goals, and at this point I am not able to tell the we will be able to doiver or not. [Magda Zacharska] 10:06:34
The high level, the high, level roadmap that we have on our V key space. [Magda Zacharska] 10:06:43
I will update that. I just wanted to talk to you first before I I make those changes. [Magda Zacharska] 10:06:52
Any comments, questions, concerns. [Erin Nettifee] 10:06:55
So if the query tool front end is worked on, but it's also not going to be functional until the backend work is done. [Erin Nettifee] 10:07:06
Then the guidance to implementing libraries is just to not permission. [Erin Nettifee] 10:07:12
The query, tool? [Magda Zacharska] 10:07:14
We will most likely hide the tab in the poppy. Release. [Magda Zacharska] 10:07:20
So you don't need to worry about the permission at all. [Erin Nettifee] 10:07:23
Okay, cause it's visible. Now. [Magda Zacharska] 10:07:24
And yeah, unfortunately, it's visible now in in our kids. [Magda Zacharska] 10:07:32
We introduced the in our kit, we introduce the the permission that allows to hide in Nolana. [Magda Zacharska] 10:07:44
However, the query tool works to some extent. It's just very slow, and the syntax is very hmm, cumbersome. [Magda Zacharska] 10:07:58
You have to be a very precise, with spaces and question marks to make it working. [Magda Zacharska] 10:08:05
So, for example, if you want to search by users, by user group, you will get the information. [Magda Zacharska] 10:08:13
It will take a while. So it is not that it's not operational. [Magda Zacharska] 10:08:18
It's not working nicely. [Erin Nettifee] 10:08:22
But with this stuff and Poppy, we're gonna change the Ui, so that it just is no longer operational at all until until the back end piece is done. [Magda Zacharska] 10:08:25
Yeah. [Magda Zacharska] 10:08:29
And that's why we will hide. [Magda Zacharska] 10:08:33
Exactly the way we will hide the height of the tab. [Erin Nettifee] 10:08:34
Okay. [Erin Nettifee] 10:08:36
Well, all that be in the release notes. [Magda Zacharska] 10:08:40
For puppy. Yes. [Erin Nettifee] 10:08:41
Yeah, yeah, okay. [Magda Zacharska] 10:08:50
The link to the scrum board is attached to here. [Magda Zacharska] 10:08:54
You can see that we have right now a lot of our Apmach issues that we are working on adding support for the Zoom Platform. [Magda Zacharska] 10:09:07
We will also be working on making it even more robust and support multiple full harvests around concurrently. [Magda Zacharska] 10:09:18
So those are are the things that all other libraries will be will benefit. [Magda Zacharska] 10:09:25
But it will slow down the development. [Sara Colglazier (MHC/5C)] 10:09:35
Monta, can I interject a moment? Just I will. [Magda Zacharska] 10:09:39
Oh, no! Oh, I did! [Sara Colglazier (MHC/5C)] 10:09:40
I don't I don't. I don't! [Sara Colglazier (MHC/5C)] 10:09:41
I don't I just wanted to follow up on a quote something. [Sara Colglazier (MHC/5C)] 10:09:45
So Aaron just asked about will that be in the release notes for Poppy about the query, Where are we talking? Yeah. Being hidden? [Magda Zacharska] 10:09:55
Tool. [Sara Colglazier (MHC/5C)] 10:10:00
Would it be possible to include in the orchid release notes that in Poppy it will be hidden because I think it's you know it as we move forward it would be good to know. [Magda Zacharska] 10:10:09
Oh, okay. Uhhuh. [Magda Zacharska] 10:10:15
What to expect. [Sara Colglazier (MHC/5C)] 10:10:15
Oh, we're what we expect, because then I think a lot of people. [Sara Colglazier (MHC/5C)] 10:10:21
I think we would. Then, you know, we would put that out there that please don't start using it, you know. [Magda Zacharska] 10:10:29
Don't get used to it. Okay? [Magda Zacharska] 10:10:33
Okay, oh, I can do that. I am behind with the release notes for all the areas that I'm responsible. [Sara Colglazier (MHC/5C)] 10:10:35
Thank you. [Magda Zacharska] 10:10:43
They are on my to do list for this week, so hopefully, by the end of the week they will be. [Sara Colglazier (MHC/5C)] 10:10:49
Well, we're all we're all just getting to know now. [Sara Colglazier (MHC/5C)] 10:10:54
We can wait for release notes. Don't worry. [Magda Zacharska] 10:10:59
Okay. Thank you. I'll keep it in mind. [Magda Zacharska] 10:11:03
And once I update the the release notes, I will ask the group to take a look and the comments you think are needed, or changes. [Magda Zacharska] 10:11:15
We will take them into account. [Magda Zacharska] 10:11:21
On the backfest. We all the all the bugs that were found to drink the backfast has been closed, fixed, and closed, verified, and closed. [Magda Zacharska] 10:11:39
The performance tests confirm that we can right now update back edit up to 100,000 records for items, holdings and user records. [Magda Zacharska] 10:11:57
So it is improvement from Nlana in Nlana. [Magda Zacharska] 10:12:01
We could only improve a we could only update 5,000, or I'm sorry. [Magda Zacharska] 10:12:08
2 and half user records. And I believe this was 10,000 for items. [Magda Zacharska] 10:12:15
So the changes in architecture paid off, we can really support more. [Magda Zacharska] 10:12:23
And the questions about the bug. [Magda Zacharska] 10:12:28
A test, a breakfast. [Magda Zacharska] 10:12:37
If not, there is one more thing I think I forgot to mention. [Magda Zacharska] 10:12:41
As a result of our user acceptance testing that we did last last meeting. [Magda Zacharska] 10:12:49
I have created a list of girs. Some of them we will be talking. [Magda Zacharska] 10:12:56
Some of them are in draft, and I will be following on the requirements with you and the birth date. [Magda Zacharska] 10:13:06
This was a simple fix. It's already fixed, but will be a part of poppy release. [Magda Zacharska] 10:13:21
Take 2 tickets that I listed below. I would like to get your feedback about the order of the columns on the logs, page, and the modified text that is displayed while the the changes are being committed. [Magda Zacharska] 10:13:38
So when we talk about the the columns you mentioned that the columns are inconsistent with the with the other Ops. [Magda Zacharska] 10:13:53
So this is the log. This is the log and order of the columns in log edit. [Magda Zacharska] 10:14:03
Start with Id records. Type status run by started running, and the running number of records. [Magda Zacharska] 10:14:11
How many records were processed, type of editing and actions. [Magda Zacharska] 10:14:16
Not all of the columns are applicable for other modules. [Magda Zacharska] 10:14:21
But here is the example from data export. It starts with file name statues, total, total total number of reference. [Magda Zacharska] 10:14:33
How many failed job profile, and it running and run by an Id. [Magda Zacharska] 10:14:40
And on the data import is slightly different. It starts with the file, but then it's status record profile started running and running run by. [Magda Zacharska] 10:14:53
And id so the way I would propose. [Magda Zacharska] 10:15:02
We would start with status. Then there will be a number of records. [Magda Zacharska] 10:15:10
Record type started running. But we talk about this, that this is confusing, because this is not when the process of saving the changes occurred. [Magda Zacharska] 10:15:21
This is when the file with the identifier was uploaded. [Magda Zacharska] 10:15:26
Then under training. When this is the moment where the bucket it completed run by, and Id. [Magda Zacharska] 10:15:36
But the question is, what do we do with the following columns process, this is the number of records that was processed editing that will tell tell if this is in App or Csv approach, and the the call with actions. [Magda Zacharska] 10:15:54
This is the column where we allow user to download the file. [Magda Zacharska] 10:16:01
It's for downloading any suggestions how we should approach Dot. [Erin Nettifee] 10:16:11
Well, one thought about the editing piece is, I can't remember if we were gonna if we included that because we needed to filter on it or search on it. [Erin Nettifee] 10:16:22
But that in my mind is a candidate for an icon. [Erin Nettifee] 10:16:26
Right cause. We've used that in other contexts, I know on like for transaction tables in circulation. [Erin Nettifee] 10:16:37
If you check a book in, and there's a fee fine, accrued a little icon pops up, and then you can kind of go see what the fee find is. [Erin Nettifee] 10:16:46
So maybe there could be an icon that says Csv. [Erin Nettifee] 10:16:50
And then an icon that says, Fe. Fine, I mean not only work that only works if we don't need to filter sort right, but that that was my first reaction. [Magda Zacharska] 10:16:52
Okay. [Erin Nettifee] 10:17:00
What are? [Sara Colglazier (MHC/5C)] 10:17:00
That's my first reaction was actually very different. I actually felt like that was more akin to what I think of the job. [Sara Colglazier (MHC/5C)] 10:17:09
Profile, and that I wouldn't mind that in export. [Magda Zacharska] 10:17:11
So the job profile, I think, would be yes, I think in data import as well. [Sara Colglazier (MHC/5C)] 10:17:17
Yeah. [Magda Zacharska] 10:17:18
I think the record type would be more equivalent of the job profile, because in record type we are specifying on which records we are executing the. [Magda Zacharska] 10:17:35
The changes which I think it's more important for you that you are updating the users or inventory items. [Magda Zacharska] 10:17:43
Then it really matters if this is done by Inapp or Csv. [Sara Colglazier (MHC/5C)] 10:17:47
I guess. Well, yeah, I'm hoping we can filter on it, and I guess I'm not. [Sara Colglazier (MHC/5C)] 10:17:54
I don't think I want an icon, for I think it's pretty important. Csv. [Sara Colglazier (MHC/5C)] 10:17:58
Or in app like to just have that as an icon seems. [Sara Colglazier (MHC/5C)] 10:18:04
It's not. [Erin Nettifee] 10:18:05
I guess it depends on what you're gonna do with it right? [Erin Nettifee] 10:18:08
I mean, it helps you interpret the log, but I also I will say this also. [Erin Nettifee] 10:18:13
Don't have a strong opinion about it. That was just what popped into my head. [Erin Nettifee] 10:18:17
So bye, bye, you know you're still on it. [Erin Nettifee] 10:18:21
It's very is very important, but I guess yeah, my thought process was, basically if you're not filtering or sorting on it, maybe it doesn't need to be its own column. [Magda Zacharska] 10:18:29
It could be icons. [Erin Nettifee] 10:18:32
Magda, are we at some point supposed to get check boxes in here for like bulk? [Erin Nettifee] 10:18:39
I'm looking at the data import log screen. I'm just kind of wondering about. Maybe that's. [Magda Zacharska] 10:18:41
Not this not what? What would you do with this checkbox? [Erin Nettifee] 10:18:50
Well, I'm just thinking like, if a we're going to be purging logs. [Erin Nettifee] 10:18:56
I don't know if we've talked about that, but that might be another column that eventually would need to go in here, but we don't have to spend time on it if we're not there yet. [Magda Zacharska] 10:19:04
So I have to be honest. We will be talking about the checkboxes for the results after you upload the file of identifiers, or, if you run the query, then you will be narrowing down the results set by checkboxes. [Magda Zacharska] 10:19:24
Similarly the similar to the way it is done in inventory, but for logs it did not occur to me to have the check boxes. [Magda Zacharska] 10:19:36
We will be talking about purging, but that would be driven by the date. [Erin Nettifee] 10:19:43
I, okay, sure, okay. [Magda Zacharska] 10:19:46
So! [Erin Nettifee] 10:19:48
I see, I see a comment in the chat. [Magda Zacharska] 10:19:51
Uhhuh. [Erin Nettifee] 10:19:51
Another vote against the icons, which is totally fine. So maybe that's not a good idea. [Erin Nettifee] 10:20:00
Sarah saying, I would like to see record type and Inapp, Cfsv. [Erin Nettifee] 10:20:06
Next to each other. I can see the logic there, you know, to see those. [Erin Nettifee] 10:20:11
If editing is a column still to pair those together, so that would suggest maybe putting editing like it. Number 3. [Magda Zacharska] 10:20:15
Uhhuh. [Erin Nettifee] 10:20:23
If we're looking at your ticket list. [Magda Zacharska] 10:20:24
So the question, the first question I have is the status that the most important. [Magda Zacharska] 10:20:32
Would you have this? Would you like to have it as a first car? [Magda Zacharska] 10:20:37
First column, or something else. [Erin Nettifee] 10:20:39
I kind of want record type first, but that's just cause. That's how I think about it. [Erin Nettifee] 10:20:45
Logically, I go. Okay. I did users, and then I guess you know, I did users, and I did it. [Erin Nettifee] 10:20:52
Csv. And it worked, or I did users in app, and it worked. [Erin Nettifee] 10:20:57
But there were some errors like that's how I would think about reading that line. [Erin Nettifee] 10:21:01
So to me the record type is more important than status. But others please definitely definitely chime in more chat, comments Jen, saying, I like caring number of records and processed together. That's another comment. There. [Jennifer Eustis] 10:21:16
Yeah. [Jennifer Eustis] 10:21:22
Yeah, I think record type is really important, especially when you're gonna have, like, you know, in the 5 C, it's a different people who are gonna be doing different types of bulk edits. [Jennifer Eustis] 10:21:34
So I guess we can filter by that, too. But I do like record type first, and then looking at the status. [Jennifer Eustis] 10:21:44
Yeah. And I do like actions at the end. I don't know why, but I know you have to scroll to get there, but I like it at the end. [Magda Zacharska] 10:21:53
So is this. [Erin Nettifee] 10:21:54
I mean, that's it. That's a pretty consistent Ui pattern. [Erin Nettifee] 10:21:56
Across folio so I wouldn't move the Actions column. [Magda Zacharska] 10:22:01
So record type first, then, status or the editing. [Erin Nettifee] 10:22:08
I would do record type status editing. [Magda Zacharska] 10:22:13
Anyone has that option. [Amanda Ros (she/her)] 10:22:19
I'm okay with that. [Erin Nettifee] 10:22:22
Status editing, and then the suggestion is number of records, and then processed. [Erin Nettifee] 10:22:33
Cause? Aren't those separate columns? Those are separate columns. [Magda Zacharska] 10:22:35
Yes. Uhhuh. Yeah. [Erin Nettifee] 10:22:36
Yeah, yeah. [Magda Zacharska] 10:22:40
So number of records. [Magda Zacharska] 10:22:44
And process right? [Magda Zacharska] 10:22:59
Start the running run by and id id, and then action, or it after action. [Erin Nettifee] 10:23:06
Yeah. [Erin Nettifee] 10:23:14
I still feel like, well, I guess on the I guess in data export there's no action column. I'm just looking at the screenshots. [Magda Zacharska] 10:23:23
So in the Hmm data export, you have the the first. [Magda Zacharska] 10:23:32
The file that was generated by the export in the first column that would move action to the beginning. [Erin Nettifee] 10:23:35
Sure! [Magda Zacharska] 10:23:39
But you said you prefer this order, so let me save it, and see how. [Erin Nettifee] 10:23:45
I, yeah, I still feel like actions at the end is most consistent with the rest of folio. [Sara Colglazier (MHC/5C)] 10:23:54
But why do we need action? Actor? Id like? Then I have to scroll even further over, like depending on my screen. [Sara Colglazier (MHC/5C)] 10:24:01
I won't even like I'll have to go over over over like Id. [Sara Colglazier (MHC/5C)] 10:24:05
Number to me is like the least relevant to my activity like that's only if I need to reference it to say, Hey, my, you know id number blah blah blah is stuck, or something I have to submit a ticket, whereas my action don't I wanted to do that like I would think I would [Sara Colglazier (MHC/5C)] 10:24:24
want that upfront somewhere more. [Sara Colglazier (MHC/5C)] 10:24:28
I mean. [Erin Nettifee] 10:24:29
What are folks think? [Erin Nettifee] 10:24:37
I mean I'm coming at it that when I say it's the most consistent I have a Po had on there. [Erin Nettifee] 10:24:42
You want to be consistent across apps. But definitely folks folks chime in. [Thomas Trutt] 10:24:48
Yeah, I mean. [Amanda Ros (she/her)] 10:24:48
I like consistency, because people from different areas are going to be using this. [Thomas Trutt] 10:24:55
Yeah. [Magda Zacharska] 10:24:56
The action. It's it gives you the access to the files. [Magda Zacharska] 10:25:02
But this is not something. You will be using all the time. [Magda Zacharska] 10:25:05
This is, you have those files generated every step through bug edits. [Magda Zacharska] 10:25:13
So when you do, the Balkan edit you all the files that you can access to the actions. [Magda Zacharska] 10:25:19
Menu, you can access them also while you do the bog edit. [Magda Zacharska] 10:25:26
So, for example, you upload the list of identifiers and you want to see the matching records. [Magda Zacharska] 10:25:31
You can download it from the file where the matching records are displayed. [Magda Zacharska] 10:25:35
Then the review. You can also see those download the files from the preview of the matched file as well, and I don't know. Walk you through to. [Magda Zacharska] 10:25:49
Maybe this will make more sense if I just walk you through and show you how it works. [Magda Zacharska] 10:25:53
I just need to point my mouth. Okay, so we are in in the bulk addicts. [Magda Zacharska] 10:26:01
And let's meet. So like the user buckles. [Magda Zacharska] 10:26:07
Choose the file. [Magda Zacharska] 10:26:11
And I will not find this very quickly. [Magda Zacharska] 10:26:23
I can hold on. Let me do this in breakfast, because I can find it. [Magda Zacharska] 10:26:30
Get that faster! [Magda Zacharska] 10:26:40
Select, identify your user barcodes, choose the file. [Magda Zacharska] 10:27:13
So this is the first time you can download the matched records. [Magda Zacharska] 10:27:21
No, we do the let's change the group. [Magda Zacharska] 10:27:34
It confirmed the changes. [Magda Zacharska] 10:27:39
This is another time when you can download the preview. [Magda Zacharska] 10:27:45
We are committing the changes. [Magda Zacharska] 10:27:52
And now you can also save the changed records. So if we go to the logs and we do completed end users. [Magda Zacharska] 10:28:06
So this is good job. We just run for 15 records. [Magda Zacharska] 10:28:11
And here are the files. So you will go to actions, menu! [Magda Zacharska] 10:28:18
Not every time you do the back edit you go to actions, menu. [Magda Zacharska] 10:28:24
Only if you want some configuration of the job that was already completed, or if there were some issues with that, so I'm not sure this is really it really needs to be much. [Magda Zacharska] 10:28:42
It nearly needs to be moved to the left. Yeah, it can be the last one. [Magda Zacharska] 10:28:49
But if you feel otherwise changing the order columns, it's not a big deal. [Magda Zacharska] 10:28:56
We can do this. [Erin Nettifee] 10:28:59
I think I I'm getting the sense that I think some folks would like to move it. [Erin Nettifee] 10:29:05
Some folks think it should stay. I'm kind of looking at the chat. [Erin Nettifee] 10:29:10
There's a question about whether the column widths here are adjustable, and they don't seem like that. [Magda Zacharska] 10:29:15
No, no, they are not. [Erin Nettifee] 10:29:18
So I don't know if that might come some point. Go ahead. [Magda Zacharska] 10:29:23
Umhm. I would like Sarah to tell me what she feels about that, because Sarah wanted to move. [Sara Colglazier (MHC/5C)] 10:29:32
Yeah, so I feel, is that run by an Id are less important for the actions, and that it can be like you said a log is not the same as the blue action menu up in the corner. [Sara Colglazier (MHC/5C)] 10:29:50
And so, for example, in data exporting data import, it's the equivalent of what you said was akin the record type. [Sara Colglazier (MHC/5C)] 10:29:59
I would just click on that, and then I can download it right. [Sara Colglazier (MHC/5C)] 10:30:03
So, and in too many screens the there are so many columns, and since we can't adjust the column with the columns that are clear at the end, get totally forgotten. [Sara Colglazier (MHC/5C)] 10:30:17
So I would be really kind that that you would come here, and you would not realize that there's this action menu, to even be able to access and since it just has the 3 little dots, I think moving a little bit over, you know, in front of who and the Id number which again, it's just a system [Sara Colglazier (MHC/5C)] 10:30:42
Id. Number is less valuable to me when I'm trying to to get out something, you know. If I'm asked to come in after somebody else has run something and do something, then that is where I'm going to be having to go right. [Magda Zacharska] 10:31:00
I think part of what you are bringing. Sarah can be resolved by the training right? [Magda Zacharska] 10:31:10
That user know what is available to them instead of exploring. [Magda Zacharska] 10:31:13
The columns. What! I propose I propose we table this conversation. [Magda Zacharska] 10:31:20
I will send a query. Follow up and follow up survey, and then, based on the answer, we will come up with with the phone final order. [Magda Zacharska] 10:31:36
Would that work for the group? [Amanda Ros (she/her)] 10:31:40
Yes. [Erin Nettifee] 10:31:42
Sure, sure! [Sara Colglazier (MHC/5C)] 10:31:42
Yes. [Magda Zacharska] 10:31:44
And Amanda, looking at your questions in the slack above the columns. [Magda Zacharska] 10:31:53
You talk about additional columns in the in the Results list. I assume that those columns for the E are for the item records. [Amanda Ros (she/her)] 10:32:05
Yes, because when I showed it to our metadata people, we've been having trouble getting our list of records that we need to send to our offsite repository, we've been having trouble generating everything they need in the list since we've move to folio and what [Amanda Ros (she/her)] 10:32:32
I showed this to them. The people that were involved in those transfers were like, I know it's not the function of bulk at it, but I mean we can flip the location. [Amanda Ros (she/her)] 10:32:42
But it would also be really useful if we could get these fields and then we could get these fields, and then we could just export the Csv. [Amanda Ros (she/her)] 10:32:54
And then we could just export the Csv. And send it to the Repository. [Erin Nettifee] 10:32:54
Please, please don't. I'm sorry. [Amanda Ros (she/her)] 10:33:00
Well, I mean I mean, it's once. [Erin Nettifee] 10:33:02
I understand where you're coming from, and I understand where your people are coming from. [Erin Nettifee] 10:33:06
That was. I apologize to the that was not the way I should have said that I just I we are doing so much of like tweaking to compensate for other areas. [Amanda Ros (she/her)] 10:33:07
Yeah, no, that's. [Magda Zacharska] 10:33:15
Yeah. [Erin Nettifee] 10:33:16
And we should not do that, especially with an app. That is this complicated. [Magda Zacharska] 10:33:21
So! [Amanda Ros (she/her)] 10:33:21
Okay, well, I mean, I just told them that I would throw the question out there, because I didn't know if it would. [Amanda Ros (she/her)] 10:33:28
How much back end it would require to add those the option of also doing those. [Magda Zacharska] 10:33:36
So among the all those columns come from a different record. [Amanda Ros (she/her)] 10:33:37
Oh! [Magda Zacharska] 10:33:42
They are coming from instance record, not from the item record. So once we start working on the instance record back edits, you will get those columns. [Amanda Ros (she/her)] 10:33:46
Right. [Amanda Ros (she/her)] 10:33:55
Okay. [Magda Zacharska] 10:33:56
But you will not get those columns while editing items, at least at this point. [Amanda Ros (she/her)] 10:34:00
Okay, that's right. Okay, that's reasonable. [Amanda Ros (she/her)] 10:34:06
I can go back and tell them that. But you know I was just throwing that out there, and and I have told them repeatedly. [Amanda Ros (she/her)] 10:34:15
The process is that you know the developers do something for item records and then kind of move to holdings records and then move to instance records. [Amanda Ros (she/her)] 10:34:25
So. You know I have tried to get them familiar with that expectation, so you know I'm fine with that. [Amanda Ros (she/her)] 10:34:34
But I just, you know, just so we know that there's an interest in that. [Amanda Ros (she/her)] 10:34:38
But yes, I I do realize that it might complicate things so. [Magda Zacharska] 10:34:44
Thank you, and your question about the settings, the. [Amanda Ros (she/her)] 10:34:48
That came from our circulation people, if we need further, because I know, Aaron asked what they needed, I will ask that I will go back and ask for more clarification if we need that. [Amanda Ros (she/her)] 10:35:03
But that was a question that was asked for one of our people. [Magda Zacharska] 10:35:09
So I believe, once the application matures there will be different needs, or the libraries will have different needs. [Magda Zacharska] 10:35:22
That will drive the behavior of the app, and then we will need to introduce the settings. [Magda Zacharska] 10:35:31
We are not there yet. The first thing that I believe we will need to add to the settings will be purging the dialogues, because some libraries maybe want to purge it. [Magda Zacharska] 10:35:44
Hmm! Every month other may want to do it less frequently. [Magda Zacharska] 10:35:52
So this, this will be a part difference. Well, when we implement purging first, this will be Api. [Magda Zacharska] 10:35:59
Call something that can be done through April. I call, and then we will be working on the Ui implementation. [Amanda Ros (she/her)] 10:36:06
Okay. [Magda Zacharska] 10:36:06
But if you have any areas that you think will require some customization depending on the institution, please please let me know. [Amanda Ros (she/her)] 10:36:20
Okay, I can do that. [Magda Zacharska] 10:36:22
Thank you. So regarding the column, I think I got the the high level expectation. [Magda Zacharska] 10:36:33
I will post the survey, but I will ask for a relatively quick feedback. [Magda Zacharska] 10:36:38
And I would like this to give to developers as soon as possible. [Magda Zacharska] 10:36:45
The other ticket. Will related to the text that is being displayed. [Magda Zacharska] 10:36:51
Why the changes are being committed. It's the same text that is being displayed. [Magda Zacharska] 10:37:00
While we upload the. [Magda Zacharska] 10:37:05
And the list of identifiers. Let me make it a little bit bigger. [Magda Zacharska] 10:37:10
So when the user uploads the list of identifiers. [Magda Zacharska] 10:37:17
If this text is being displayed uploading, this is the name of the file. [Magda Zacharska] 10:37:23
That was used to trigger the bulk edit and retrieving the data. [Magda Zacharska] 10:37:30
This is the progress bar and the retrieving below the same text is being displayed once the changes are committed. [Magda Zacharska] 10:37:39
So you specified what changes you want to make you confirm that those changes are on this. [Magda Zacharska] 10:37:47
Are you sure form? You click the button, commit the changes, and in this moment the changes are being saved in the database, and this message is being displayed which I think doesn't make sense. [Magda Zacharska] 10:38:01
What would be the verbiage of of the text? [Magda Zacharska] 10:38:08
You would like to see. [Robert rscheier@nelib.org] 10:38:23
What does it say when you're doing the import profile? [Magda Zacharska] 10:38:32
It's a good question, but in that, when. [Robert rscheier@nelib.org] 10:38:37
So when you you look to file in import profile. [Jennifer Eustis] 10:38:43
So when you upload it, it's just you get this bar of saying the file's been uploaded, and then you select your job, and then it, and then it goes into running. [Robert rscheier@nelib.org] 10:38:50
And then. [Jennifer Eustis] 10:38:55
So it's not really the same thing in bulk. Get it? [Jennifer Eustis] 10:39:00
I don't think because, and do the import, we really don't know the steps that it's going through. [Jennifer Eustis] 10:39:09
Necessarily where I think in bulk get it. We do. [Jennifer Eustis] 10:39:14
That is an helpful but. [Sara Colglazier (MHC/5C)] 10:39:14
We do also see that word processing. [Peter Martinez] 10:39:17
Processing? Or what about applying applying changes or? [Jennifer Eustis] 10:39:18
Yeah. [Sara Colglazier (MHC/5C)] 10:39:22
Yeah, but that's in data imports processing that's what it says in the box. [Robert rscheier@nelib.org] 10:39:24
Or just committing. [Peter Martinez] 10:39:27
Right. [Sara Colglazier (MHC/5C)] 10:39:29
The. [Robert rscheier@nelib.org] 10:39:31
Committing changes to the database. Something like that. [Magda Zacharska] 10:39:37
This is when you say, when you come, meet the data. So first of all, this is when you are retrieving, and this is correct because it shows you the name of the file that you use to trigger the bug edit, and you indeed retrieve the data this is the first time. [Kimie (Keemee) Kester] 10:39:39
Mega is the issue that you're trying to resolve with this current thing, that you have circled in red at this moment, when it is appearing. [Kimie (Keemee) Kester] 10:39:51
Or is it the message that appears after this is finished? [Kimie (Keemee) Kester] 10:39:53
Retreating. I'm confused. [Kimie (Keemee) Kester] 10:40:08
And you! [Kimie (Keemee) Kester] 10:40:13
Okay. [Magda Zacharska] 10:40:14
This messages displayed which is for and as a result you will see the list of matching record. [Kimie (Keemee) Kester] 10:40:21
Okay. [Magda Zacharska] 10:40:22
But the same label is displayed again. Once you commit the changes. [Kimie (Keemee) Kester] 10:40:28
Okay, so. [Magda Zacharska] 10:40:30
So you saw the records, you make, the changes you confirm, the changes on the. [Kimie (Keemee) Kester] 10:40:35
Yeah. [Kimie (Keemee) Kester] 10:40:38
Hmm! [Magda Zacharska] 10:40:38
On the confirmation screen, or are you sure screen? [Magda Zacharska] 10:40:43
You click, commit, and then you get the same verbiage. [Magda Zacharska] 10:40:47
So I like the applying changes or the generic processing. [Kimie (Keemee) Kester] 10:40:47
Okay. [Kimie (Keemee) Kester] 10:40:50
Okay, so so what? [Kimie (Keemee) Kester] 10:40:56
If the message right now says uploading 1,000 user barcodes dot Csv and retrieve me relevant data, then when it's finished, couldn't we say just simply, 1,000 user Barcodes Dot Csv has been uploaded and relevant data [Kimie (Keemee) Kester] 10:41:15
has been retrieved, I mean I I don't get it. I don't. [Magda Zacharska] 10:41:17
No! [Magda Zacharska] 10:41:20
So, Kimmy. This is not when the job completes, because when did jump completes the the the results is correct. [Peter Martinez] 10:41:21
That! [Kimie (Keemee) Kester] 10:41:25
Okay. [Magda Zacharska] 10:41:32
So I think we still have we don't have it anymore. [Magda Zacharska] 10:41:41
If I go here. So you see, 15 records have been that would be 1,000 records have been successfully changed. [Kimie (Keemee) Kester] 10:41:48
Okay. [Magda Zacharska] 10:41:49
This is a good but and let me show one more time what is happening here. [Magda Zacharska] 10:41:56
I will select maybe a bigger file, so we have more time to user 100 user buckets. [Magda Zacharska] 10:42:07
So we have more time to. [Magda Zacharska] 10:42:09
So this is uploading user records. This is the first time and this is Akura. [Magda Zacharska] 10:42:17
We got the list. Now we are a start point. Let's change the expiration date, for example. Let's make it. [Magda Zacharska] 10:42:35
Confirm the changes. So this is the are you sure? [Magda Zacharska] 10:42:40
Form the confirmation screen. We will update only 90 in 98. [Magda Zacharska] 10:42:47
We are committing the changes. I click, commit the changes, and I'm getting again uploading. [Kimie (Keemee) Kester] 10:42:53
Hmm! [Magda Zacharska] 10:42:54
So we are talking about changing this. [Kimie (Keemee) Kester] 10:43:00
I see. Well. [Kimie (Keemee) Kester] 10:43:05
Hello! I think we have to make it too complicated. We can. [Kimie (Keemee) Kester] 10:43:10
We should just say what it is that's happening and what it is that's happening is that the changes are being committed correct. [Robert rscheier@nelib.org] 10:43:19
I agree with that. I mean, that's the language you're using on the button. [Robert rscheier@nelib.org] 10:43:24
So you should stay with that commit my work. Yeah, that's one. [Magda Zacharska] 10:43:26
Co Meeting Changes. [Kimie (Keemee) Kester] 10:43:28
Well, something to that effect. It just seems like we don't have that. [Kimie (Keemee) Kester] 10:43:33
We should just say, whatever it is that's happening. If that's what's happening, we're committing the changes I mean, that's what would make sense to me. [Kimie (Keemee) Kester] 10:43:40
I don't know what other people think. [Jennifer Eustis] 10:43:45
There are a lot of votes for processing to in the chat. [Jennifer Eustis] 10:43:50
Mac Donald. So. [Magda Zacharska] 10:43:52
So I think the processing would retrieve, change the retrieving instead of retrieving. [Magda Zacharska] 10:43:57
That would be processing. [Jennifer Eustis] 10:43:59
Okay, I I like the changes, too. [Magda Zacharska] 10:44:01
And I'm sorry. What did you say? Can you repeat? [Jennifer Eustis] 10:44:07
I like what Bob said about repeating the language he used on like the previous button, so committing changes. [Jennifer Eustis] 10:44:16
Yeah. [Kimie (Keemee) Kester] 10:44:18
Or changes are being committed. [Jennifer Eustis] 10:44:21
It? Yeah, yeah. [Kimie (Keemee) Kester] 10:44:22
But yeah, changing that retrievering to processing that would. [Kimie (Keemee) Kester] 10:44:27
Be a dishonest idea. [Jennifer Eustis] 10:44:30
Yeah, cause. I think together, if you have processing, and then the message is, you know, you know, we are committing changes to you know that file name. [Jennifer Eustis] 10:44:41
It would be much clearer, I think, or at least in my mind. [Magda Zacharska] 10:44:48
Okay. So I would propose that that the red one, a part will be changes are being committed, and the retrieving will become processing. [Magda Zacharska] 10:45:05
And they. [Magda Zacharska] 10:45:07
But I see you have your hand up. [Robert rscheier@nelib.org] 10:45:11
I'm sorry I can lower that. I think that's a perfect solution. [Jennifer Eustis] 10:45:17
And you're getting some plus ones and some sound goods. [Magda Zacharska] 10:45:23
Thank you. So we have. [Amanda Ros (she/her)] 10:45:26
I think we're all almost all in agreement now. [Magda Zacharska] 10:45:31
We have 15 min left that we can spend either talking about permissions or follow up on the survey results. [Magda Zacharska] 10:45:43
We have the permissions on our agenda for a while, and I'm not sure we will cover everything. [Magda Zacharska] 10:45:51
But I would like at least to start. Or would you rather go to the item notes? [Jennifer Eustis] 10:46:03
Magda. Is this the volt changes to permissions. [Jennifer Eustis] 10:46:08
Or is this permissive for the book? Edit. App. [Magda Zacharska] 10:46:10
Permissions to the bulk. Edit. App. [Jennifer Eustis] 10:46:13
Oh, okay, there's just so many businesses, you know. [Magda Zacharska] 10:46:16
Yes, I'm. [Jennifer Eustis] 10:46:18
I'm yeah. I'm fine, either way. [Jennifer Eustis] 10:46:21
I mean, you know. [Magda Zacharska] 10:46:23
So let's start and we'll see how we how far we will progress. [Magda Zacharska] 10:46:28
So there are 2 parts of the bulkheaded permission. [Magda Zacharska] 10:46:33
Once. Those are the permissions of the app. [Magda Zacharska] 10:46:38
And those are listed here on top of the page. Right now we have following permissions, and those are the orchid release permissions we have in our bug edit in app view. [Magda Zacharska] 10:46:55
This is what will allow user to see. [Magda Zacharska] 10:47:05
Record to see matching records for the inventory items and inventory holdings. [Magda Zacharska] 10:47:16
But the action menu will be hidden. Meaning user will be able to see them. [Magda Zacharska] 10:47:22
But it will not be able to act on those records. [Magda Zacharska] 10:47:26
Then it's a in up edit which allows user to access action menu. [Magda Zacharska] 10:47:35
And it. They can start bug editing. [Magda Zacharska] 10:47:39
So then, but this is only for inventory records. [Magda Zacharska] 10:47:42
The Csv view and edit are only for user records, because we've implemented this functionality only for users. [Magda Zacharska] 10:47:52
We started with users. Then it was decided that Csv approach is not the preferred one. [Magda Zacharska] 10:48:01
We switch the gear toward the in app, so we have a Csv approach only for user. [Magda Zacharska] 10:48:07
At this point, and similarly with the view, you can see the list, but you cannot do anything. [Magda Zacharska] 10:48:18
And with the Csv edit you can progress through the steps. [Magda Zacharska] 10:48:24
The most obvious one is the query, bug edit. [Magda Zacharska] 10:48:29
This is the access to the query Tab. At this point nothing else can view logs is again viewing the logs, but once you view the logs, you can do everything in those logs. [Magda Zacharska] 10:48:46
And bug added in up update user records. [Magda Zacharska] 10:48:53
This is the permission that differentiate users. The record updates in app. [Magda Zacharska] 10:49:01
And we have. [Magda Zacharska] 10:49:06
Well, I need to update this here because you should be able also see the action menu at this point. [Peter Martinez] 10:49:18
Have a question. To the edits and update functions. [Peter Martinez] 10:49:23
Permissions include the views, or do they both have to be added? [Magda Zacharska] 10:49:28
Yeah, when you have a edit, you have automatically view. [Peter Martinez] 10:49:32
Okay. Okay. Thank you. [Magda Zacharska] 10:49:41
So us I mentioned here to see all 3 apps tabs in the bug edit user will need to have bulkheaded in app edit or Csv. [Magda Zacharska] 10:50:00
Query for query and view logs. So this is the high level overview. [Magda Zacharska] 10:50:05
But there is another part of the bulk added that will require permissions on the record side. [Magda Zacharska] 10:50:17
So, for example, you can have the bulk as it permissions, but if you don't have the permissions to edit inventory, for example, you shouldn't be able, in my opinion you shouldn't be able to to do bug edit this is my understanding is this how you understand it [Magda Zacharska] 10:50:41
as well. [Thomas Trutt] 10:50:44
Yes, 100%. [Erin Nettifee] 10:50:44
Yes. [Peter Martinez] 10:50:45
Yeah. [Magda Zacharska] 10:50:47
Okay, so you can have all the possible permissions on the bulk added. But if you don't have permissions on inventory, you will not be able to run the bog Edit. [Jennifer Eustis] 10:50:47
Yes. Yeah. [Amanda Ros (she/her)] 10:50:48
Yes. [Erin Nettifee] 10:51:05
Yeah, you need permission to the app. And that's that's also consistent with data import. [Magda Zacharska] 10:51:06
So you can. Okay? [Erin Nettifee] 10:51:11
Is my understanding. [Magda Zacharska] 10:51:11
Okay. [Magda Zacharska] 10:51:14
Okay. So I group here the behavior of the permissions. [Magda Zacharska] 10:51:23
What permissions you need to do to have enable to do any type of records. [Magda Zacharska] 10:51:32
So if you have inventory items, you can edit items. But you can also do holdings, users and user permissions. [Magda Zacharska] 10:51:45
You can upload the identity. You can see the records. [Magda Zacharska] 10:51:52
Item records online. The preview is visible. [Magda Zacharska] 10:51:57
You can download the matching record. You can download the errors. [Magda Zacharska] 10:52:04
You cannot do a bug edit. Csv. Because it's only available to the user records. [Magda Zacharska] 10:52:12
You can start bug edit, it is enabled, and you can change the column as well. [Peter Martinez] 10:52:23
Start. [Magda Zacharska] 10:52:26
But the start edit is start bug edit only for the items records. [Peter Martinez] 10:52:40
Are are there? Are there any bulk? I mean? [Peter Martinez] 10:52:45
Are there any edited? Is there any edits to item records that should trigger something on a whole record that this might prevent? [Magda Zacharska] 10:52:57
A good question. Well, the effective location, I think the other way around changes in yeah, holdings, location. [Erin Nettifee] 10:53:03
Yeah, it's the other way around the editing. [Erin Nettifee] 10:53:07
A whole thing. My propagate a change down to the item, but I don't but I don't know how that happens. [Peter Martinez] 10:53:11
Right? Okay. [Erin Nettifee] 10:53:16
Now, that's a good question. Like, if I go into a holding, and I change a permanent location. [Peter Martinez] 10:53:17
And. [Erin Nettifee] 10:53:21
Does the item? When does the effective location change on the item? [Erin Nettifee] 10:53:25
Just the next time it's accessed. I don't know. [Peter Martinez] 10:53:29
Yeah, do, yeah, are there? Yeah? Cause if the changes come, go to to the sequel table only from the holdings. Yeah, I don't know. [Magda Zacharska] 10:53:29
The. [Magda Zacharska] 10:53:41
So that will need to be tested. It is, however, more the inventory issue. Then back edit issue. [Magda Zacharska] 10:53:51
But I will double check and see the behavior. Oh! [Erin Nettifee] 10:53:55
Yeah, that's a good question. Yeah. [Magda Zacharska] 10:53:56
It's a very good question. The one thing that I would like to bring to your attention are user permissions, because due to the data confidentiality, we want to. [Magda Zacharska] 10:54:13
We want to minimize the access to the user information, especially that when you download the the records, you get everything. [Magda Zacharska] 10:54:24
So you get the address. There's the everything that's the library has about the user. [Magda Zacharska] 10:54:32
So you'll need to be really, you will need to have all the permissions to see. [Magda Zacharska] 10:54:40
Or to view or to edit users. [Erin Nettifee] 10:54:45
So. Can you remind me what comes back in the user edge? [Erin Nettifee] 10:54:52
Just the stuff that's correct. The core user record, right? [Magda Zacharska] 10:54:55
Yes, so you don't see the yes, you don't see that. [Erin Nettifee] 10:54:59
It's not. Yeah. Not requests and loans and stuff like that. [Magda Zacharska] 10:55:03
But you still see a lot. The full address. [Erin Nettifee] 10:55:04
Yeah, yeah. [Erin Nettifee] 10:55:06
No, no, yeah, no, I'm not disagreeing with that part. [Erin Nettifee] 10:55:09
I was just trying to remember where some of that was. [Magda Zacharska] 10:55:17
And the question that I believe we discuss already, and I do also believe that the behavior, the standard for your behavior, is that if you don't have permissions to something we are hiding it from you. [Erin Nettifee] 10:55:35
Yeah. [Magda Zacharska] 10:55:35
So, if you cannot, if you cannot, if you don't have permission for bunk edit, because you don't, you don't have required permissions. [Magda Zacharska] 10:55:46
Then you are not going to see this option. You may be on the back edit. [Magda Zacharska] 10:55:52
App, but the action. Menu will be hidden, and then you will be asking, okay. [Magda Zacharska] 10:55:57
So I see the records. What can I do? Nothing. [Amanda Ros (she/her)] 10:56:01
Well, I know that if people have permissions for something like, you know, I have bulk edit permissions, but some of my staff don't. [Amanda Ros (she/her)] 10:56:09
Need it, so they don't. I haven't given them any permissions, therefore it does not come up in the list of apps when they are in folio, you know, either. [Amanda Ros (she/her)] 10:56:23
You know, across the top, so which I mean, which app is it? I mean? [Amanda Ros (she/her)] 10:56:31
Which permission is it that would give them that? But they still wouldn't be able to do anything, because I'm fine with them, not being able to see it if they can't do anything. [Magda Zacharska] 10:56:40
So this is the list of the permissions you need. [Magda Zacharska] 10:56:44
If you want someone to do the Hmm edit user profile, you need to give the user user can edit profile in others. [Amanda Ros (she/her)] 10:56:56
Right, but I guess I misunderstood what you were saying. [Amanda Ros (she/her)] 10:56:59
I thought you were saying that even if they don't have permission to do anything well, I guess that would be the view, because. [Erin Nettifee] 10:57:07
Right? That's the part that's the part up at the top. Yeah. [Magda Zacharska] 10:57:07
Yeah. [Amanda Ros (she/her)] 10:57:10
Okay. [Magda Zacharska] 10:57:13
So let's say that, Amanda. Let's say you have a library that has the. [Magda Zacharska] 10:57:24
Update user records permission. So they come to the bulk edit form. [Magda Zacharska] 10:57:32
And what do they will see right now? We will. They will see user user radio button and enabled inventory item will be right now. [Magda Zacharska] 10:57:44
Disabled, but we will hide them so they can select. [Magda Zacharska] 10:57:49
This will be selected by default. They can change the record identifier, then can update the file and nothing will happen if they don't have permission to see the to see the patron profile. [Amanda Ros (she/her)] 10:57:52
Okay. [Amanda Ros (she/her)] 10:58:03
Okay. [Magda Zacharska] 10:58:08
So so those are the bug edit app permissions to see, the, to view, to view user profile, to see the list of a matching records. [Magda Zacharska] 10:58:22
They will need to have the view if you want them to edit, they will need to have the permission. [Magda Zacharska] 10:58:32
Come edit user profile. [Peter Martinez] 10:58:34
In the case where they click the button, and nothing happens because they lack one permission somewhere along the line to is there an indicate? [Peter Martinez] 10:58:44
Do? Is there a popup that says you need to have permissions? [Peter Martinez] 10:58:47
Adjusted, or. [Magda Zacharska] 10:58:48
This is a good point again, at this point nothing will happen. [Magda Zacharska] 10:58:54
I will make sure we add some some notification to the user. [Magda Zacharska] 10:59:03
We may need to talk about this as well in the future. [Magda Zacharska] 10:59:08
How we want to. We have 1 min left. We are not going to talk about the logs, Tab, because this is again the permission I want to emphasize if you don't have permissions to view us profiles. [Magda Zacharska] 10:59:24
You will not be able to download the files either. [Magda Zacharska] 10:59:28
I have to run to another meeting. So the link to this page is in our agenda. [Magda Zacharska] 10:59:36
Please feel free to take a look at comments, and next time we'll meet we will talk about this a little bit more.
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