2024-09-09 Community Council Meeting Minutes

Attendees

@Christopher Spalding

@Simeon Warner

@spampell

@Mike Gorrell

@Kathleen Berry

@Shawn Nicholson

@Rachael Kotarski

@Kirstin Kemner-Heek

@Boaz Nadav Manes

Guests: @Magnus Andersson , @Patrick Pace (Unlicensed) , @Yogesh Kumar, @Jenn Colt , @Maccabee Levine , @Kristin Martin


Regrets: @Edwin Pretz , @Maike Osters

 

Discussion items

Item

Who

Notes

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Who

Notes

FOLIO Member introduction: Linköping University Library

@Magnus Andersson

Welcome to Linköping University Library - met them on Wolfcon

  • Self hosted

  • Implementation from 2021 to go-live in 2023

  • Have 2 sys admins to support, also developers for integrations

Developer Advocate update

@Patrick Pace (Unlicensed)

August Report - Developer Advocacy - FOLIO Wiki (atlassian.net)

  • one more month in service right now

AWS costs presentation and discussions

@Shawn Nicholson

@Yogesh Kumar

  • AWS costs, introduce @Yogesh Kumar (PO for Kitfox team)

  • Add spread sheet here, please - https://ebscoind-my.sharepoint.com/:x:/r/personal/ykumar_corp_epnet_com/Documents/aws-cost-budget2025.xlsx?d=w9317ecb01e32449ebaae1bf006cf3af1&csf=1&web=1&e=eZSRik

  • Cost for AWS is significally higher than membership fees, EBSCO is funding additionally

  • Proposition: resources need to be ramped up to keep the development speed

    • Question: why do the dev teams not pay for their own environments?

      • Because the necessary environment is too big to be run on single machines

      • Maybe possible in a new architecture

    • AWS for EUREKA and OKAPI platform development

    • Expectation that there will be much reduced OKAPI support after the sunflower release, but will still need some

    • Current numbers include accounting for reserved instances

    • Current cost spreadsheet does not include all dev team environments

      • ID dev teams not included, they use ID infrastructure

      • GBV teams use GBV infrastructure - @Kemner-Heek, Kirstin going to check

    • Options that have been thoughts about

      • Reduce number of large DB - working on this, maybe can do 2

      • Cheaper instance types

      • Evaluating purchase of reserved instances - done

      • AWS cost optimization - done

      • Changing the dev roadmap - don’t move everything forward

      • Change timing of Eureka - could it be moved forward later

      • Members data center - move some instances to member data centers as opposed to AWS

      • Better pricing from AWS - continue working on this

      • Release environments - just keep one previous release, this is part of the later

    • How much do we plan/want to spend?

      • @Kathleen Berry notes we have previously kept spending to $20k/month for the last few years. Should have recommendations for change earlier

      • Since June 2024 coinciding with Eureka platform development, actual monthly costs approach $30,000/month.

    • No-Eureka estimate would be $273k

    • Yogesh can estimate which of the environments are logically central rather than per dev team (typically the rancher environments)

    • @Simeon Warner proposal: We direct those setting up community funded environments not to exceed $30k/month spending for the time being. This would still lead for deficit spending but would not dig us a deeper hole.

      • Agreement from @Boaz Nadav Manes @Rachael Kotarski @Mike Gorrell @Shawn Nicholson @spampell @Simeon Warner ; no votes against

      • ACTION - @Simeon Warner to follow up on CC slack

        • Additional support from @Kemner-Heek, Kirstin , @Joseph Grobelny

        • 8 out of 12 CC members have voted in support

FY25 budget discussion

@Kathleen Berry

  • See: Budget overview

  • AWS costs and desire to support developer advocate role

WOLFcon meetings

@Christopher Spalding @Simeon Warner

  • Members meeting happening Wednesday the 25th 10:30-11:50

  • Members chatter and drinks Wednesday evening, 6-9pm

    • Simeon working to book a private space, 300stlg ~ $400

  • CC in-person meeting Friday 9am-noon

  • Tri-council meeting Friday 1pm-4pm