2023-11-08 Meeting notes Tri Council WG

2023-11-08 Meeting notes Tri Council WG

Date

Nov 8, 2023

https://openlibraryfoundation.zoom.us/j/88432586375

Recording: https://recordings.openlibraryfoundation.org/folio/councils-co-chairs/2023-11-08T12:55/

Attendees

  • @Jenn Colt

  • @Charlotte Whitt 

  • @Kristin Martin 

  • @Kirstin Kemner-Heek 

  • @Maccabee Levine 

  • @Ian Ibbotson (Use this one) 

  • @Craig McNally 

Goals

  • Draft charter and scope

  • Brief introduction to the RFC process

  • Notetaker: Kristin

Discussion items

Time

Item

Who

Notes

40min

Problem statement, charter, scope

All

 

Problem:

Given that the monolithic flower releases have grown to be a problem and that the deployment of FOLIO is becoming unsustainable for system operators, EBSCO has developed a proposal for the formalization of applications and platforms that they believe will help solve both of these issues.

Charter:

  • Communicate to community in parallel to what is happening

  • Dialog with the group implementing

  • Communicating consequences

  • Impact on existing FOLIO user and finding a path from the current process to the proposed process.

  • General agreement with the proposal on the technical level, but there is a big gap between that and communicating the consequences

    • Need to talk through the consequences and alternatives, not simply communicate them - what path do we want to take?

  • When we find agreement for the path, understanding how we make things happen and how we minimize the risks or agree upon the acceptable level of risk

    • Can describe what we want to have and what we want to avoid

  • We need to understand the current state of work so we can focus our work

    • E.g., if there is already work underway, we should be starting there

  • Identify and share with stakeholders, e.g., DevOps and keep them involved

  • Find answers to non-technical questions or come up with proposals to reduce risk and increase alignment

  • Does this group help to determine what modules should come together for one app?

    • The might be a technical question, but the implications are very non-technical

    • Maybe think less “is this a technical question or not,” but what are the non-technical implications as the technical questions are answered

Current state

  • Some work has been done; proof-of-concept

  • A lot of non-technical aspects have not been addressed yet

  • Technical aspects align closely with proposal

Questions:

  • Will FOLIO as an Open Source project be easier to approach for new development team with this new change? That would be a long term goal, where especially libraries would benefit from, when asking for special development/customized development?

  • What is the RFC process going to look like?

    • Group will present overview and Scope, then take advice. Then write full RFC

    • RCF us technically focused but okay to ask tech/nontech questions, this depends on the RFC

 

Potential process

  • Identify risks

  • Formalize problems and solutions

  • Proof-of-concept and RFC are the appropriate vetting for this change

  • Because the TC has a process for focusing on the technical aspects, this group does not need to focus on those

 

Concerns:

  • Naming may be a problem - “app” is an overloaded name

  • How do applications get defined? Bounded concept is going to be a RFC issue

 

What have we agreed upon

  • We assume this is going forward to formalize apps/platforms

  • We need to formalize our charter, find a way to allow for ambiguity yet feel clear about path forward

  • Determine our first steps, risk analysis?

  • We set up a weekly meeting at 1 PM ET Wednesday

 

Action Items:

  • Jen: work on charter/refine and share with group by Friday

  • All: consider what the first couple of ideas are to tackle

  • First deliverables are reached in December

    • Craig provides update on where things stand/timeline

    • Communicate to broader community






10min

RFC process

Craig

 

5min

Next steps

All

 

Action items