2022-12-13 Bulk Edit Working Group Meeting Notes

Development updates

• Development status
• Development team scrum board

Nolana UAT updates and feedback

UAT Scenarios

We got more responses this time.  Did this form (Excel file with scenarios) worked better than the survey used in prior releases?

Review of suggested feedback:

Reviewed use cases and associated existing JIRA tickets or marked which ticket still needs a JIRA to be created.   

Follow up questions on:

[Magda Zacharska] 10:01:52
Sure start, showing the screen.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:02:00
Can you see my desktop with the plane and

[Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:02:06
Yeah, yes.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:02:08
Okay, I will start sharing the agenda.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:02:16
Make this, so a little bit bigger

[Magda Zacharska] 10:02:23
As always, please add your names, to the attendees, these

[Magda Zacharska] 10:02:32
And let's start with the things. yeah, I would like to, I discussed today, first, no meeting, December 27.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:02:44
I assume most of us, will be on vacation or on holiday.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:02:51
Break, so the meeting has been canceled. We will meet next time in January.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:02:56
I think this will be January, thirteenth.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:03:02
And I have a question. If you feel, we need to have a container for this meeting some one who will control that not only one person.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:03:13
Speaks like, me but have a chance to voice their opinion

[Jennifer Eustis (she/her)] 10:03:27
Well mind of the I I guess the question that pops into my head is, are are we a single or a working group? So

[Magda Zacharska] 10:03:41
Oh, we are working. Group I don't think we are sick

[Jennifer Eustis (she/her)] 10:03:44
Yeah, cause. For the other. I mean, not that we have to follow that of, course, but the other working groups.

[Jennifer Eustis (she/her)] 10:03:53
I and I know it's a lot of pressure, and I understand that it's generally led by the Po.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:03:58
Okay.

[Jennifer Eustis (she/her)] 10:03:59
But you know we you don't have to do that you know

[Magda Zacharska] 10:04:01
I don't mind to do that I was just afraid I don't I'm not giving you enough time an Option.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:04:12
To express your opinions, and so it I just want to make sure you heard you feel heard, and if this is not the case, please let me know that's why I I put this bullet on here.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:04:28
I don't mind running those meetings, but as I said, I would like you to to feel that what you're bringing up is being heard and discuss

[Jennifer Eustis (she/her)] 10:04:41
And you know, Magda. It could be also that you know many of us haven't used bulk at it.

[Jennifer Eustis (she/her)] 10:04:50
In production, so it you know. So right now, for us kind of theoretical, so like in the 5 colleges, We're just getting you know, so We're opening up Bulk at it, and We're testing it.

[Jennifer Eustis (she/her)] 10:05:02
Now, so I think maybe that's the case as well and I this happened with like data import.

[Jennifer Eustis (she/her)] 10:05:09
Once. It was like just one institution, using it it was still very quiet.

[Jennifer Eustis (she/her)] 10:05:13
Then, once everyone just started using it, production, then you just really started getting you know, a lot a lot of feedback, because everyone was using it.

[Jennifer Eustis (she/her)] 10:05:22
I I don't know that just my 2 cents

[Amanda Ros (Texas A&M)] 10:05:25
Well I will echo everything that Jennifer said, and you know I have no problem with the way that you've been running the meetings I am grateful, that you're doing it and I'm also extremely grateful, to bob that he is the note Taker cause.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:05:25
And

[Amanda Ros (Texas A&M)] 10:05:43
Somebody, of the meetings that I go to. People are begging for note takers, and I have a disability that I only type one handed.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:05:43
Yes,

[Amanda Ros (Texas A&M)] 10:05:52
So I never volunteer to be notetaker, but

[Amanda Ros (Texas A&M)] 10:05:58
You know, so I unless there is reason that you either one of Y'all need to step aside.

[Amanda Ros (Texas A&M)] 10:06:09
Now

[Amanda Ros (Texas A&M)] 10:06:09
I have absolutely no problem with the way things are going right.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:06:12
I I just want to second that there will work. Bob is doing with notes is is amazing.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:06:20
Thank you very much the notes are very detailed. They're also extremely helpful.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:06:24
I do go back in times, in our meeting, trying to find out what we were discussing and then out of our really very helpful it's. It's easier for me, to read the notes, then looking for the specific Part. Of the meeting on the recording so it is awesome thank you

[Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:06:32
No

[Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:06:43
Well, I I have phone behind. But I think back on track.

[Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:06:49
Now But I just want to say I think you're doing a really good job.

[Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:06:53
Magdev, opening the floor after you present things, and I never felt like they went a space there for participants, to voice their concerns.

[Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:07:05
So I don't know how others feel, but I how we felt like it was pretty good.

[Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:07:09
Are you doing a pretty good job with that

[Magda Zacharska] 10:07:12
Thank you on this topic. I just want to mention on the bottom of the Agenda for today is the link to the, to this Survey.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:07:23
And it's, anonymous. So everybody can events, and feel free to to post, your comments I will also put the link on our Slack Channel for those who could not attend the meeting today, I would really like for your ask you for your very honest feedback so

[Magda Zacharska] 10:07:51
That if there is something I need to improve in the next year in next year, I can

[Magda Zacharska] 10:08:01
I can take into account the other thing will not. French, will my accent will not disappear.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:08:07
So that's too bad. It stays here, but everything else please feel free to to share. Your Feedback

[Magda Zacharska] 10:08:21
And the next, and then like Stumping is the Development Status and updates, the links to link, to board, Development Board is attached, and I'll Walk shortly, through the Functionality, that we are Working on what we started Working on in in we just close and all

[Magda Zacharska] 10:08:50
The jira that will be included in morning Gloria.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:08:55
In morning, Gloria Hux and also the ticket that are in that made into no Nana the bugs that were that made in a Nolana backfix face it's a lot of them not all of them are a high priority but we were including when

[Magda Zacharska] 10:09:21
We work in the area that was related

[Magda Zacharska] 10:09:25
But we were adding them. There are certain issues. but before we do that I want to show where we are on the development of the new

[Magda Zacharska] 10:09:40
Functionality, for arcade, if you go to the for your snapshot, or for your snapshot, too, you will notice that there is a new tag with the logs, this is the functionality, that's, in and nolana, is some of this functionality is in Export

[Magda Zacharska] 10:10:04
manager, we Are Separating Bucketed from Export Manager in our Kit, and the Logs of the Executed Jobs will be available here what you see right now on this Table, It's A Mock data, this was done, by the Front End Developers, and so that We can Render what

[Magda Zacharska] 10:10:29
was built. But we are still waiting for the back end to to be done.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:10:34
It will probably take until mid January, for the back end to be ready until you start seeing the real data here, but

[Magda Zacharska] 10:10:49
The bulk Operation Type column Itself Explorer explanatory.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:10:55
It will be edit, all or delete great records, type

[Magda Zacharska] 10:11:02
There will be information who run when it started running when it ended up running number of records that were this was processed and like number of Records that were requested the number of records it was Processed Type of Editing keep this was in app or Csd Right now in App is our Highest

[Magda Zacharska] 10:11:27
Priority. So you will mostly see a Csv, yeah,

[Magda Zacharska] 10:11:34
Rarely only if someone uses and it for editing a user records here, on the actions, those 3 dots will give you the option, to download the files that were created during the bug edit so the files, with the Matching record the Preview and Confirmation so by the

[Magda Zacharska] 10:11:54
End, of the of the job. You will have here multiple links to to different file, files that were created.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:12:06
The name was specified what stage the file was created. We will not keep those files in definitely.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:12:14
There will be. For now on live for 30 days, and and when the when they

[Magda Zacharska] 10:12:26
30 days pass a lapse. The link will be disabled, and there will be an information stating what is happening here

[Magda Zacharska] 10:12:40
Hmm, you can tell that this was done by a developer in the first id 0, in in life, it will pup, but basically, this is the functionality that that will be a part of malama behind this there's, a lot, of architectural changes, that is happening as I mentioned, before the separation of

[Magda Zacharska] 10:13:04
The Bug edit from Export manager, we just don't want to compete for resources.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:13:12
And this, will make about that it's more scalable on the fifth, side, on the left Pane.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:13:21
If there are Good Computers for Filtering, by Status Records Type Supported Record Type, Operation Type and when the job started and went up and Ended

[Magda Zacharska] 10:13:41
Any questions comments.

[Jennifer Eustis (she/her)] 10:13:50
But yeah, this is really useful, like that cause. You know, I'm testing it in morning glory.

[Jennifer Eustis (she/her)] 10:13:56
Now in in our production, a dry run and I don't have access to expert manager.

[Jennifer Eustis (she/her)] 10:14:02
So you know, I I don't. I don't know what's going on is kind of like, hey, not worked or that didn't work.

[Jennifer Eustis (she/her)] 10:14:07
Yay, so this is this is really really helpful and then in the chat there was Kenya mentioned like the one Column named number of Records.

[Jennifer Eustis (she/her)] 10:14:22
And could it be Shortened to Records and I did go and look at data import, and it's actually just as a record and that would make it a little shorter I don't know what other people thinking about

[Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:14:45
I I think it's clear if you just put records, and It's more consistent

[Magda Zacharska] 10:14:57
Okay, and how about the process? We'll just be clear.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:15:04
When we put the Records and then process

[Jennifer Eustis (she/her)] 10:15:14
I I think so

[Jennifer Eustis (she/her)] 10:15:18
Right, at least for me.

[Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:15:24
Now I'm not sure I understand so there's a first Entry is a 100 Records, 55 or process.

[Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:15:32
What happened to the other?

[Magda Zacharska] 10:15:34
They were duplicates, for example, so As I said, this is not real data.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:15:40
This, is the the data that was populated well to if you had let's say you submitted 100 records and only 55 records were processed as assuming that 45 were invalid Ids when you or might, be on this example, Hmm oh, look down here

[Magda Zacharska] 10:16:03
so on their file, you will have an error file, and then you will see, and you still you know, though this is the log that you can go after you went to all 3 screens of about Editing the screens, that were you you know you are gated, when you see the errors, when you see

[Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:16:13
Yeah

[Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:16:18
Right.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:16:25
confirmation of the of the update, those files will be here, for you to revisit after you're done

[Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:16:33
Yeah, that, makes. Sense.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:16:37
So does the process still make sense process

[Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:16:41
Yeah, cause. This is just a record of what what transpired.

[Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:16:47
But yeah, when you're within the process, this will be more clear.

[Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:16:52
What what happened

[Magda Zacharska] 10:16:53
And actually looking at the smoke, this is status. New.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:16:59
So most likely this is still being processed, that out of 100 records, 50 feet 55.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:17:06
Have been processed. So far, so there are 40 5 still to go

[Magda Zacharska] 10:17:14
And it, for those who are interested. Yeah, go ahead.

[Kimie (Keemee) Kester] 10:17:17
Oh, mega, yeah, yeah, so

[Kimie (Keemee) Kester] 10:17:24
In the Mockups, in the Mockups.

[Kimie (Keemee) Kester] 10:17:28
That we did when the status was new, I didn't have, and ended running date.

[Kimie (Keemee) Kester] 10:17:36
And I didn't have a number for the number of Records or Processed.

[Kimie (Keemee) Kester] 10:17:42
So those, so those sales were empty and the actions.

[Kimie (Keemee) Kester] 10:17:45
Column was empty, so I think the the reasoning for that was like you just said it's still running so the status is new, it doesn't say completed it doesn't say possibly completed.

[Kimie (Keemee) Kester] 10:18:01
With errors. So I think, just having those sales filled with data is not really helping the notion come across that the thing is still being processed and I don't know, if maybe the status of new isn't necessarily clear, if it just says new if it maybe said something like Miss kate or

[Kimie (Keemee) Kester] 10:18:23
I have another project, I'm working on, and the W Wording they're using there is compiler, as in that it's like still going.

[Kimie (Keemee) Kester] 10:18:31
But anyway, I I mean, I can bring up these things with you separately.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:18:31
Yeah, but

[Kimie (Keemee) Kester] 10:18:36
But I just thought since I'm here, I would mention it

[Magda Zacharska] 10:18:36
Yeah, thank you, thank you, Kimmy, you're absolutely right.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:18:41
And I remember I was discussing it like you said when it's new.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:18:47
I do still believe the number of process can be provided because this is something that I'm going to show, a a little, bit later but the running and that's running it definitely will not be available also the files it depends where we are in the in the process I'll bring it up to

[Magda Zacharska] 10:19:09
the developers. good point, thank you, kimmy

[Kimie (Keemee) Kester] 10:19:13
Oh, and oh, Magda Jennifer and Christie just said the word running which that that sounds good to me too, because we are also using the Label Heading of started Running Ended Running and also data Import Uses, started running ended running so Maybe for the Status when It's, Not Completed we would

[Magda Zacharska] 10:19:13
I'll discuss with developers Umhm

[Kimie (Keemee) Kester] 10:19:38
Say, Ron.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:19:39
Okay,

[Kimie (Keemee) Kester] 10:19:41
What do you think

[Jennifer Eustis (she/her)] 10:19:43
Yeah, I I really like, that cause it. It's it it's still it's still doing its thing.

[Jennifer Eustis (she/her)] 10:19:50
So and it makes it very clear and then, and then it's also consistent. I I think in data, expert it has a running. To when that export is still you know exporting so yeah.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:20:04
So this, this is This is what is happening? Those are the states of bulk operation.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:20:13
So the running, the data, export running and data import running I think would cover those 2, new this would be, the file we're updated and we are the the file, with the identifiers, or the list of identifiers has been provided to Query, or through something else now we are

[Magda Zacharska] 10:20:41
Retrieving the Records. Then we are saving the records, saving the records, is not that, committing the changes, it is saving those records locally in the local, storage before the changes.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:20:58
Are committed in the database Then there is a data modification.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:21:05
This is like the moment when the user specify what changes.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:21:10
They want to be done to existing records. This is review changes.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:21:17
This is the hmm are you sure form this is when the user provides gets the review of the changes that will be committed applying changes.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:21:33
This is the moment when the Changes are being committed to the database. And later, this is not going to happen in a current

[Magda Zacharska] 10:21:47
Hmm! currently is the suspended

[Magda Zacharska] 10:21:55
No, yeah, this, is I I'm sorry I am miss with the concern Missing.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:22:04
This with canceled and there is a completed with their suspended is this, will happen when the user display the changes, but will not continue with committing their changes so when you are on the are you sure form.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:22:20
And you click cancel. This will this will be the status that the changes were not applied complete, that completed with ours.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:22:30
The when when they were problems with the commits canceled scheduled those will be,

[Magda Zacharska] 10:22:46
Yeah, well, I see there is the the the description.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:22:52
Slightly different from my I understanding canceled. This is here overlaps with what I was saying about suspending I will clarify this with the developers so to make sure we are on the same page Scheduled Scheduled will definitely not be implemented in this release and

[Magda Zacharska] 10:23:15
failed. If something goes completely wrong and we could not commit the

[Magda Zacharska] 10:23:25
And the we could we could not complete the Bug operation, so going back to this screen, I think if we change new to running it.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:23:39
Will not be accurate, enough. It will be too generic.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:23:42
I see Jennifer has right her hand.

[Jennifer Eustis (she/her)] 10:23:46
Yeah, just a quick question. So I understand this better, Magda, so this, if we take the Id 0 of of just this example, so here, here we have a new so right now, it's uploading the file, it's, you know it's just preparing to go.

[Jennifer Eustis (she/her)] 10:24:03
So and and here we have the start, running, date and and running, date, or time and date.

[Jennifer Eustis (she/her)] 10:24:12
So once it goes past that to the next status, do we get a new line in the log?

[Jennifer Eustis (she/her)] 10:24:21
Or does this line like that it updates it will update.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:24:22
Update, the the line will update, yes.

[Jennifer Eustis (she/her)] 10:24:26
Oh, okay, so.

[Jennifer Eustis (she/her)] 10:24:30
Yeah, I, I think in this case running, I I do go back on that, because it's it is really not running it.

[Jennifer Eustis (she/her)] 10:24:38
And and I think data import. And maybe they the expert, have less statuses.

[Jennifer Eustis (she/her)] 10:24:44
But I don't know new. I still find a little confusing.

[Jennifer Eustis (she/her)] 10:24:49
I I don't know because it cause you're expecting kind of like a it's, a new new bulk at it.

[Jennifer Eustis (she/her)] 10:24:57
I don't know, maybe started or I I don't know it would. Work.

[Jennifer Eustis (she/her)] 10:25:01
But I I see what you mean in general I don't know if there's a better word for it, though

[Magda Zacharska] 10:25:05
I do. Believe we talk about the statuses. A few meetings ago.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:25:12
And I can go back to the notes and discuss. I wouldn't like Yup to talk at this point.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:25:20
We can reduce it to the naming convention.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:25:23
Maybe once we have real data. I agree with you that the complexity of what is happening in in comparison?

[Magda Zacharska] 10:25:34
What is happening in bucket in comparison with the data Export for example, the data export is definitely simpler, because you have on the one or 2 outbridge, you retrieve the data you form up them.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:25:49
In mark, and output them here, you have your uploading the list of Records.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:25:58
So this is the identifying the records. Then the it's retrieving the records saving them preser, like preserving them locally specifying the changes, applying the Changes, to the local area, a local storage so we can render them, for the user to review and then after

[Magda Zacharska] 10:26:20
That we can meet the changes and along steps. We are also generating the files of errors, etc.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:26:30
So I don't think a reference to other apps.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:26:35
Maybe applicable on all levels. I see you have your hand out go ahead

[Jennifer Eustis (she/her)] 10:26:44
Yeah, I, I think, also, because we're looking at the at the static page.

[Jennifer Eustis (she/her)] 10:26:49
So I just wanted to agree that, looking at it like once we get it working.

[Jennifer Eustis (she/her)] 10:26:53
I think we'll be really helpful, because like, right now it's like you have id 4, that's new 3 that's new to that's new the one that's new in the 0.

[Jennifer Eustis (she/her)] 10:27:05
That's new. So it kind of gives the impression, especially like to me, mentioned, that you know though there's an end, time and and date with those so it kind yeah, gives the impression.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:27:14
Yeah. This, is yes, this is misleading, the this is misleading.

[Jennifer Eustis (she/her)] 10:27:19
That it's done. Yeah.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:27:21
And like Kimi is said, but as also I said, this is a gamid data that was put here to provide the look, and feel how it will be rendered.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:27:37
You can see. Here, that we cannot filter.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:27:43
Right now, so this is just the beginning. Of the of the work.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:27:49
There is nothing behind, the good behind.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:27:55
Behind the scene. We we will come back to this. When there is more in into it.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:28:02
If this is okay, we, we, we, do

[Magda Zacharska] 10:28:10
I'm looking at the chat to see what is in the chat

[Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:28:18
Yeah, I, just want a second. What Kimmy was saying, it doesn't make sense.

[Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:28:24
It. It is less clear to have a and running date and time.

[Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:28:28
When it's not finished.

[Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:28:31
So I think it would be a lot clear, if that's blank.

[Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:28:36
So it's finished

[Magda Zacharska] 10:28:38
Okay. I'm, I'm, looking at the Comments and I.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:28:43
See Kristi Comments Showing Unfinished job in the logs is real deviation from other logs.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:28:51
Christy, could you speak up on this a little bit

[Christie Thomas (she/her)] 10:28:55
Sure I mean I can show my screen. If you want me to show you what I'm talking about.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:28:59
Sure

[Christie Thomas (she/her)] 10:29:01
Or you can go to is the same in data, import. And in data export, if you go and you look at the logs over on the left, side

[Christie Thomas (she/her)] 10:29:15
So you don't see. you don't actually see the job. And in the log until after it's finished

[Magda Zacharska] 10:29:24
Yeah, but if you if we start data import here, if you go here, and if I start the data import here you will see the job.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:29:36
That is happening, right in the progress. This is definitely on the data export so on the data export, when you try to do a larger data export, then you definitely see that the job, it you see the privilege

[Christie Thomas (she/her)] 10:29:50
I mean, maybe maybe it has to do with like, performance or something.

[Christie Thomas (she/her)] 10:29:55
But we in in and practice here at my institution. We don't see the job in the log until after it's finished over on the left where it says running you see this pain and you see the progress bar but there's no row in the log until after it Finishes.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:30:03
And

[Magda Zacharska] 10:30:15
So what is the harm in displaying the job, that is new, that is cute, or there is a waiting, or it's starting to be processed.

[Christie Thomas (she/her)] 10:30:26
Just saying that it's inconsistent and it's just inconsistent with other logs.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:30:26
What is the harm

[Magda Zacharska] 10:30:32
So Christie, what would happen if you let's let's start you submitted to the records of 10,000 or 100 records, let's say 10,000 it takes a moment for the system to Start gathering the start gathering the the the records so for 5 10

[Christie Thomas (she/her)] 10:30:33
I mean.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:30:57
Minutes, you will not have any record of what is happening at all.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:31:03
Would you prefer to be in dark? Or would you prefer to have the information about new job that is that

[Christie Thomas (she/her)] 10:31:12
Well, what happens in our and for data imported data export is on the left under the running heading.

[Christie Thomas (she/her)] 10:31:20
You get a get, information, about the jobs that are running, and you get the progress bar showing the progress of the job, where it is so you know whether or not we we retain, that convention, i'd like being able to see the progress and know where it is that is 20% done 80% done now it's

[Magda Zacharska] 10:31:42
So

[Christie Thomas (she/her)] 10:31:46
Done, or whether or not. It's just hanging at 0.

[Christie Thomas (she/her)] 10:31:51
Percent. I find that really useful, that visual display of it being in progress,

[Christie Thomas (she/her)] 10:31:56
It also changes, the meaning of status like in data important data export, the status, is the status of the completed Job, like it completed it completed with errors.

[Christie Thomas (she/her)] 10:32:08
It failed it it's just a different, it it's just a different model.

[Christie Thomas (she/her)] 10:32:13
And maybe it's okay that we deviate it from this model and bulk at it.

[Christie Thomas (she/her)] 10:32:19
I just wanted to highlight the fact that I just wanted to highlight.

[Christie Thomas (she/her)] 10:32:25
The fact that it's a different. It's a different it's different conceptually. And it's a different ui

[Magda Zacharska] 10:32:31
So Christie, you need to keep in mind that when you do the Bar back edit, most likely you will be staying on this John let's say on this top you are you are doing the bug at it and you are specifying the the changes so you are being guided on this screen

[Magda Zacharska] 10:32:57
You are working here and once the job is completed, like you are you completed all the the bucket, and then, realize.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:33:06
Oh, I would like to save the file, that why don't we just walk through a a a simple

[Magda Zacharska] 10:33:15
Example. So here is the let me just find the file.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:33:21
I.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:33:30
So this, is and I'm not going to to show you this and let's go, maybe to

[Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:33:35
I see it Thomas also this same same thing, as Christie and Amanda's, plus one

[Magda Zacharska] 10:33:43
Breakfast.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:33:52
So we are here. And I will help to point to the

[Magda Zacharska] 10:34:09
So.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:34:11
We update the 15 records. So the this is here, this is your progress, bar right you see the changes.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:34:20
Now the whole process of Bulk editing you are being guided in the App.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:34:24
So let's change the expiration, date to December next year.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:34:36
You are still on this page, you have all this option of saving the files, if you want to committing the changes, you have the progress bar you see the records were updated, what is happening.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:34:54
Here you are done with this job. You go to your logs, and do you see at this moment you don't see the new status you see the completed status, and you go and see okay, I run this here are the files that were generated in the process you can grab the file then

[Magda Zacharska] 10:35:16
Assuming I do, the bug edit of the users, as we sound in in here, and somebody else goes to the log, files.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:35:29
And see, okay, Magda is running and Mugda is running the bulk edit of Users.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:35:38
And there will be like 15 records or 1,000 records.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:35:44
You see, it's new. It's starting. Now, so it gives you some information that this job is starting don't you see the view and don't you see the value in this

[Magda Zacharska] 10:36:02
Christie

[Christie Thomas (she/her)] 10:36:05
I'm thinking.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:36:06
Okay.

[Christie Thomas (she/her)] 10:36:09
I mean, I do so I do see the value in this.

[Christie Thomas (she/her)] 10:36:13
But if I can either back to I guess you know the importance point in this workflow for me to know that something else is running can you go back to the the okay, so over here where I'm dragging and dropping and Choosing the file like if I had that running box right

[Magda Zacharska] 10:36:24
Okay.

[Christie Thomas (she/her)] 10:36:35
under there, it would have all the jobs that are currently running like and their progress bars. There

[Magda Zacharska] 10:36:40
Yes, but you wouldn't yes, but you wouldn't have the place to list the matching records that you are going to

[Christie Thomas (she/her)] 10:36:51
I'm not saying, replace the the Ui. I'm I'm just saying, you know have the status Bar for all running jobs in the I I I mean, I I guess I really like the data. Import.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:36:51
To act on. Yeah.

[Christie Thomas (she/her)] 10:37:05
Paying. So I can see everybody who's using data, import right at that moment and what jobs, they're doing.

[Christie Thomas (she/her)] 10:37:14
And how many records are on the File I mean, I just get a lot of information from that running Pane and I actually see the value and having the job show up right away, even when they're running in the log it may be we should add to that to like data import and data Export but I still

[Magda Zacharska] 10:37:28
It's all the data export. It is good. Thing

[Christie Thomas (she/her)] 10:37:31
Oh, I don't use data export as much as I use.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:37:34
I can tell

[Christie Thomas (she/her)] 10:37:37
Well, when I use data export, I'm Usually coming from inventory, and it's already done by the time I go to data Export but for Data import.

[Christie Thomas (she/her)] 10:37:46
I just find it really useful. And these are going to be big jobs.

[Christie Thomas (she/her)] 10:37:51
But you know, I just wanted to. I just wanted to highlight that that sort of like, difference, and whether or not.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:37:59
So Christie.

[Christie Thomas (she/her)] 10:38:00
It's an important difference. I will leave up to the community

[Magda Zacharska] 10:38:02
So Christie, you're proposing to have here.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:38:06
The progresses bars that are being displayed for the jobs that are running.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:38:10
This is what you're proposing

[Christie Thomas (she/her)] 10:38:13
Yeah, that like, you know that that running box and data import.

[Christie Thomas (she/her)] 10:38:18
I I think that that would be great to have right there, I.

[Christie Thomas (she/her)] 10:38:22
That is where I would want to see that look, I mean, I don't think it hurts anything.

[Christie Thomas (she/her)] 10:38:28
And I actually see the value in having it show up in the log. But This is actually where I would expect it, and want it based on other experiences and folio

[Magda Zacharska] 10:38:39
So the the challenge here is that if you're this, you know, we know we need the space.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:38:47
So that user can act on the records that are submitted.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:38:51
I think this was the whole conversation of having in app bucketed instead of Csv.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:38:58
So you are running the making changes here on this this pain on the main pane, on the left, Pane.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:39:09
You want to see the other jobs that are in progress is this, what you are suggesting

[Christie Thomas (she/her)] 10:39:16
I mean, that's how data import works. I see all jobs that are running.

[Christie Thomas (she/her)] 10:39:21
And if I'm running one, it's going to show up there, too. I'm not doing any work, there. it's just how jobs that are currently running are displayed and

[Magda Zacharska] 10:39:32
And the other opinion on this from anyone

[Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:39:53
I I also think it makes sense to have it consistent with data import and that's. My experience too, of seeing it on the left with the progress for and also just Progress bars in general is something I use I'm used to seeing when something is in progress in most apps

[Magda Zacharska] 10:40:16
I I I hear you, but you know, in data import. You are just sitting and waiting for the job to be completed.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:40:25
You don't do any work at this moment. Right,

[Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:40:30
You're you're wondering what's happening.

[Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:40:32
So having some sort of individual this is still processing

[Magda Zacharska] 10:40:34
But you, you see, you see this indicator, when your job that you are working on right here.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:40:44
So I, when you are making changes in the in the user.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:40:50
In the you in the bulk, edit main pain.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:40:56
You see the indication of the progress. You see, the files are being uploaded and and and run

[Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:41:03
Oh!

[Magda Zacharska] 10:41:05
So the information that you would like to have here displayed.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:41:14
You will, or or would you rather you would you have.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:41:17
Would you like to have this bar display on the log files. Here

[Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:41:27
So, what you're saying is that I guess I had forgotten this when when it's processing in in bulk at it. You already see a progress bar yeah.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:41:35
Yes, so let me let me repeat the steps here.

[Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:41:40
I'm sorry. Yeah

[Magda Zacharska] 10:41:47
And let's do the items. right. Now it sounds like cats.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:41:58
And like, take the 25 item, bar codes.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:42:03
So this is the

[Magda Zacharska] 10:42:07
This doesn't change you still have the list. You are right now, you will be concentrating concentrated on making your changes

[Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:42:09
Right.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:42:21
So right here, you. Do is this is this, where you would like to see the display of other jobs, army, understanding each other or

[Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:42:21
Yeah, I think, it was getting any confused between the lock and then yes.

[Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:42:36
Yeah, I see, I see, your point, and I don't think now, that you can point that out.

[Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:42:42
I don't think it's necessary. Okay, I think, because you were we were looking at the log separate from

[Magda Zacharska] 10:42:43
So now

[Magda Zacharska] 10:42:48
Yeah, so let's say we are change location. Let's change.

[Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:42:50
The application.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:42:54
It let's change the location, too something. We are confirming the changes, here's another progress.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:43:08
About that shows you what is happening

[Magda Zacharska] 10:43:11
And we are committing the changes

[Magda Zacharska] 10:43:15
And it's another progress Bar. That shows, I do believe that the Data Export and Data import Behavior it's not applicable Alright no because in Bug Edit you are working directly on the records, that You Selected in Data Export and Data import You are using pre Defined Profits

[Magda Zacharska] 10:43:50
That you are just executing. So the flow is. Different.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:44:00
Do I miss something here

[Thomas Trutt] 10:44:02
No I sorry sorry my voice is going Logic no, I I agree that makes sense.

[Thomas Trutt] 10:44:09
But I'm kind of wondering too is and I don't.

[Thomas Trutt] 10:44:12
I'm sorry I don't use data import and export, do they show jobs that are being promised by other people in that accordion

[Magda Zacharska] 10:44:20
And so we are in Nalana. Let's see, what is happening here,

[Thomas Trutt] 10:44:26
Cause like no reason. Why I asked this guy could see it.

[Thomas Trutt] 10:44:30
Being useful, is not like if you're right, if you're if you're if you're downloading an uploading

[Magda Zacharska] 10:44:35
So this is the data import log

[Thomas Trutt] 10:44:39
Right.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:44:41
And it shows you nothing is kept any right now, no job. Is going on. Right now this is data export, a log, it's very similar

[Thomas Trutt] 10:44:56
Right. But the running accordion on the left. That would show any jobs that are running in the system, for data or data access

[Magda Zacharska] 10:45:03
Yes, yes, if it was started by me, or somebody else. If there are jobs here, running you will see the list of those jobs

[Thomas Trutt] 10:45:12
I I think that's the point. I was that was where I was kind of coming from this was not more of seeing.

[Thomas Trutt] 10:45:19
Where my current job was, but seeing what other jobs were being ran by co-workers at the same time.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:45:21
Hmm,

[Magda Zacharska] 10:45:25
So then logs with we are discussing here.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:45:30
Those logs, that they would be equivalent of this, of this, Log, So on the data export, here you see top 50 jobs, if there are more jobs, and you click the view view view all and see the

[Magda Zacharska] 10:45:53
See, the the list of the jobs, all of them will be either completed or completed with errors, or failed.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:46:02
If something went wrong, the difference with what we are discussing right. Now, that in bulk added, you will have a chance

[Magda Zacharska] 10:46:13
To see jobs

[Magda Zacharska] 10:46:16
That are just started, we we do it out by somebody else without that progress, mark. But the progress.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:46:23
Bar, that is the visual queue, for you, for your job, you got you get it.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:46:31
When you execute the Buck Edit.

[Thomas Trutt] 10:46:33
Right? Right? But I I think that's what Christie was trying to get to was that not only can she see the progress of her job, but she can see the progress of other people so you can make.

[Christie Thomas (she/her)] 10:46:34
Right.

[Thomas Trutt] 10:46:44
A decision, as a staff member. I need to update let's say, 10,000 records.

[Thomas Trutt] 10:46:48
Oh, I see Jen is also upating something. Right? Now I'm gonna go on to something else.

[Thomas Trutt] 10:46:54
And then come back and because it's in that left hand panel.

[Thomas Trutt] 10:46:57
It's very easy to see what other chops are.

[Thomas Trutt] 10:47:00
Kind of running at that time

[Christie Thomas (she/her)] 10:47:02
Yeah, I can. Sorry I was just going to say, you know, I mean, I guess that the other big difference is that when you go to data import, and you land on the top page, you have the drag and drop.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:47:02
So go ahead, Kissing

[Christie Thomas (she/her)] 10:47:16
And then you have the log, in the center screen, and so if that long wasn't the the center screen, and it was like on your landing page when you started is that what happens like when you go just go to when you open book book edit is for the for to do a job see this is the other

[Christie Thomas (she/her)] 10:47:37
Thing. So I would have to intentionally go to the log and see what other jobs are running.

[Christie Thomas (she/her)] 10:47:45
And when I just go into data import it's just there.

[Christie Thomas (she/her)] 10:47:48
I know all of the Activity that's happening in Data Info and I know whether or not I should start my job or I should hold off for like half an hour.

[Christie Thomas (she/her)] 10:48:01
Because I don't want to choke the system. Or someone else is doing a job that might conflict with mine.

[Christie Thomas (she/her)] 10:48:07
And that that that information is buried in bulk at it.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:48:13
So we can, make, this, as, default, page.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:48:22
So this is the not a big deal. If if the Rest of Things, this is that preferred way, but then to start the market, that you will need to do always additional click

[Magda Zacharska] 10:48:38
This conversation took a lot of time I did not expect

[Magda Zacharska] 10:48:44
We will be revisiting the Bug, Edit Ui

[Magda Zacharska] 10:48:51
We can encounter in corporate some of the feedback you you mentioned one of them that you would like to have a visual clue of the jobs that are being processed I do see.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:49:09
The point. I also see us Christie said, that she would like to know before she starts and a bulk edit to see what what else is happening in the system, and that's also about its point I do believe that having the logs it's.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:49:29
A huge improvement in comparison to Nana release where you don't have the locks at all and in order to see what was happening on back.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:49:39
Edit. You need to go to the export manager

[Magda Zacharska] 10:49:43
Any export manager, you'll see at the the logs that were happening here, mixed with other with other jobs.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:49:54
So you can filter them out and this is the information you have here with the with the files that are generated.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:50:05
So we are giving you this in scope, of bulk, edit.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:50:10
Hmm. A bug edit up so I do believe this is an improvement.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:50:17
And when you say about

[Magda Zacharska] 10:50:21
The the information that is bad that buried. I think we are showing you the information that was not available until now

[Magda Zacharska] 10:50:37
Christie do you disagree, Tom, Tom, do you disagree with what I say or

[Thomas Trutt] 10:50:45
No I mean

[Christie Thomas (she/her)] 10:50:45
You know, I mean, I'm happy to live with it.

[Christie Thomas (she/her)] 10:50:48
For a while, we haven't actually used this in production, yet so we can come back to it later.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:50:55
So as I said, we definitely will come back to it.

[Christie Thomas (she/her)] 10:50:59
If it is an issue.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:51:02
And

[Magda Zacharska] 10:51:05
Oh, we are not going to cover everything. But I wanted today drink our meeting.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:51:13
So let's let's see what what left to be discussed?

[Magda Zacharska] 10:51:21
Here is the list of Morning Blurry, hot fixes the

[Magda Zacharska] 10:51:29
This one is data export related I forgot to figure it, out

[Magda Zacharska] 10:51:36
Those are tickets for

[Magda Zacharska] 10:51:40
Bug, Edit in Atlanta. There are 2 known issues, and that are reported in in a release, notes.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:51:52
One known issue is this is something that also was mentioned during the a A user access.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:52:04
Just think that's when you change the columns, and for the holdings records.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:52:12
Sometimes when you get to the to the are you short form you get the something went wrong, and error.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:52:22
This issue, is intermittent we handle. Fix but it turns out, it.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:52:31
The Issues is still happening from time to time on, the same data set on the same column selection.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:52:41
Since we are going to make some architectural changes.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:52:47
This this will be mark as a known issue. For Nolan, the only work around for this is to start the bulk edit, again, the other known issue is that if you are in export Manager

[Magda Zacharska] 10:53:15
And you are trying to add access the Files. that were generated a couple of days ago.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:53:25
You will get the expiration token. The reason for this is is the configuration, or aws, access to the files, the token that is generated by Aws lives only for 6 h.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:53:43
So in Nolan, the files that were generated by Bulk edit will be, if available on the for 6 h, after that if you want to have the Files, you either have your local copy that you have saved while going to the Bug edit process, or you run the whole back

[Magda Zacharska] 10:54:07
Edit. Again, what we are going to do for good edit logs that we will implement in market, the Token, or the Aws talk and that will be recreated each time the user, clicks the link the behavior will be identical with data export and we the data export link generation

[Magda Zacharska] 10:54:41
For this a uat testing I would like to think I think all that participated that we have more people responding this time than previously

[Magda Zacharska] 10:54:58
And they have. A question is this format worked better for you was it easier to have a spreadsheet with the scenarios where you were entering your comments.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:55:11
Or would you prefer to have a survey? Like it was done in the prior Ui user accept them tests

[Jennifer Eustis (she/her)] 10:55:25
I like the Spreadsheet, it's just easier because then you can.

[Jennifer Eustis (she/her)] 10:55:29
You can click from like the you know, holdings an item, and and users.

[Jennifer Eustis (she/her)] 10:55:34
So that was nice, or do we just do items and users.

[Jennifer Eustis (she/her)] 10:55:38
Well, in any case, you know the different record type

[Leeda Adkins] 10:55:42
Yeah, I agree. I liked the spreadsheet better

[Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 10:55:46
Hi, also the Spreadsheet

[Magda Zacharska] 10:55:47
Okay.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:55:50
It's easier for me. As well, to prepare the Spreadsheet with the use cases.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:55:59
So I'm I'm glad we are all in agreement.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:56:02
This is what we're going to use in the future.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:56:06
We have 4 min. Left I don't think we will be able to go through all the the Comments and the Feedback that we that I received from user acceptance testing Hmm, I would like, to start with the with the first one this was but I don't remember who bring brother

[Magda Zacharska] 10:56:32
up. But the idea was that once the job is completed.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:56:38
And the the user. Doesn't want to go to the same process of updating, uploading, the file.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:56:47
Just use the same record set and I will like to follow up with, would you like to do, another bug edit on the same Set of Records?

[Magda Zacharska] 10:57:01
Why didn't you do this on the on the first run?

[Magda Zacharska] 10:57:07
It can someone you buy a feedback.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:57:13
Or are you agreeing with this? Approach.

[Jennifer Eustis (she/her)] 10:57:21
The only, I mean this, I I didn't write this, but the only time I could see this happening was, you know, for example, you have books that are going to maybe the new bookshelf for example, so you have.

[Jennifer Eustis (she/her)] 10:57:35
That set you set the temporary location to the new bookstyle, and then you know, maybe a month, later or so you take the Moss but yeah, what we've been doing here, is we keep those files, I think, this, is maybe something.

[Jennifer Eustis (she/her)] 10:57:52
Different in terms of Managing Sets in folio and I think there's another conversation about that in Metadata management.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:58:06
So for this for the case like you are describing jennifer, when you are you have a list of identifiers, that triggers them moving

[Magda Zacharska] 10:58:19
Items, to another location. You move them for, like, let's say, a semester and after semester is over you still have the list of identifiers that you use you are uploading the file.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:58:31
Again, and and resend the location to whatever is needed.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:58:37
So you do, have you have to some extent, the same list of identifiers that you can reuse.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:58:45
But this case is slightly different I will try to find out who posted it, and it will follow up with the person directly the other.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:58:58
Comment was about no change in value. Needed if this is necessary, I do.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:59:05
Believe it is needed. I'm not sure this is should be in error.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:59:11
Accordion. We don't have a warning accordion.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:59:13
Yet we will need to add this to differentiate between the levels or have one accordion and visually indicate what is a warning and what is the error.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:59:30
But I do believe that stating that the record has not been updated.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:59:35
Because it was the same value asked specified, yeah, and that that this information is valuable.

[Magda Zacharska] 10:59:46
What do you think

[Magda Zacharska] 10:59:59
Not everyone at once. Yeah. Oh, I think we will just come back to this, it's top of the hour.

[Magda Zacharska] 11:00:08
E has other meetings to run.

[Magda Zacharska] 11:00:12
Thank you all for your feedback and help. We spent another year together working on Bob Edit, happy, holidays to all of you, and the Happy New Year.

[Jennifer Eustis (she/her)] 11:00:25
Happy holiday, next maybe next year.

[Bob Scheier (Holy Cross)] 11:00:25
Happy holidays, everyone

[Magda Zacharska] 11:00:25
I'll see

[Amanda Ros (Texas A&M)] 11:00:27
Happy Holiday, until next year.

[Thomas Trutt] 11:00:28
To sure.

[Scott Perry] 11:00:29
Happy Holidays Bye

[Magda Zacharska] 11:00:30
See you next year, Bye Bye.

[Magda Zacharska] 11:00:41
Do I need to do something to say that the chat or

00:06:58	Jennifer Eustis (she/her):	Yes. Thank you both Magda and Bob
00:07:21	Lisa Smith, Mich State:	+1 Amanda
00:08:29	Jackie Magagnosc:	Agree with what everyone is saying.
00:08:38	Leeda Adkins:	Me too!
00:13:48	Kimie (Keemee) Kester:	Is it absolutely necessary to have a label heading of # of records, or could it be shortened to just Records?
00:14:26	Jennifer Eustis (she/her):	In Data Import, it's just "Records"
00:15:47	Amanda Ros (Texas A&M):	shorter and consistent
00:15:52	Jackie Magagnosc:	Consistency across apps is always nice
00:15:58	Kimie (Keemee) Kester:	:-)
00:19:24	Jennifer Eustis (she/her):	Running
00:19:36	Christie Thomas (she/her):	I like running, too.
00:27:14	Christie Thomas (she/her):	I think the big difference between this log and data import is that jobs do not show up in the log until after it is done. The status there is the status of the completed job. There is a running window on the side where a job sits until it finishes.
00:27:19	Kimie (Keemee) Kester:	If the devs remove the Ended running date when a row is New might help a little. Since it isn’t finished yet
00:27:55	Christie Thomas (she/her):	Showing unfinished jobs in the log is real deviation from other logs.
00:28:55	Kimie (Keemee) Kester:	The look and feel is great. I am vey impressed at the quick turnaround - thank you!!
00:29:09	Christine L Tobias:	+1  Kimie
00:29:20	Scott Perry:	+1
00:29:43	Amanda Ros (Texas A&M):	+1
00:31:13	Jennifer Eustis (she/her):	We never see the job in the log until it is finished either here at 5C for DI
00:32:44	Jennifer Eustis (she/her):	I have to say that I would prefer to see the states that it goes through in bulk edit
00:33:18	Kimie (Keemee) Kester:	I’m sorry Magda, I did not design Data import so I forgot that they have the Running accordion in the left pane ;-(
00:34:18	Christie Thomas (she/her):	Can we have the Running pane under the drag and drop like in data import?
00:35:13	Kimie (Keemee) Kester:	I did however work on Data export, so I have no excuse! lol!
00:39:07	Thomas Trutt:	I honestly do see the value in having this like data import. Since the jobs could be running a while having a running section makes sense.
00:39:59	Amanda Ros (Texas A&M):	+1 Thomas
00:40:06	Christie Thomas (she/her):	I am not proposing to change anything in the main window.
00:42:12	Kimie (Keemee) Kester:	Ah! Now I see your point!
00:43:25	Christie Thomas (she/her):	I think that there is something that I am missing about the workflow. I can make this point again later if it comes up. But it is a different way of knowing what other bulk edit jobs are running.
00:46:01	Christie Thomas (she/her):	Data import and data export show all jobs that are running. If there are three imports running there would be three jobs running with their progress under the running accordion.
00:49:47	Christie Thomas (she/her):	My apologies.
00:49:55	Bob Scheier (Holy Cross):	I really do not like landing on log in Bulk Edit
00:51:08	Christie Thomas (she/her):	I see that point, too, Bob. I am happy to go with the collective decision.
00:52:46	Bob Scheier (Holy Cross):	I am also happy to go with consensus just think from my point of view that would confuse people to start from the log
00:53:26	Christie Thomas (she/her):	I guess I am just used to it because of data import.
00:53:41	Thomas Trutt:	I agree moving the logs to the bulk edit main UI is a great addition.. I do see value in the Running pane on the main panel. I also have to admit we are not using this in production yet, so it is hard to tell how often staff will be using bulk edit at once.