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TimeItemWhoNotes
1 minScribeAll

 Jakub Skoczen is next, followed by Taras Spashchenko

Reminder:  Please copy/paste the Zoom chat into the notes.  If you miss it, this is saved along with the meeting recording, but having it here has benefits.

5-10 minLiaison Updates
  • CC: Maccabee Levine
  • PC: Tod Olson
  • RMS Group: Jakub Skoczen 
  • Security Team: Craig McNally 
  • Tri-council Application Formalization: Jenn Colt
    • We have started talking about more specific recommendations in the group and trying to figure out what they should be. This has led to a discussion of the role of approval processes which may be of interest.  Our recordings are in the tri council chairs directory of folio recordings
5 minUpcoming MeetingsAll
4 minTCR Board ReviewAll
5-10 min

Technical Council Sub Groups Updates

All

Review the status for all open RFC PRs.
5 minRFCs

All

  • Public review update
    • Application Formalization RFC
    • Go Programming Language for Backend Development RFC
    • Distributed vs Centralized Configuration RFC
10-15 minDeveloper Advocate Role and the TC
The position description for the new developer advocate position included the following statement:


Your FOLIO related work will be coordinated by the chairs of the three councils (Community, Product and Technical) with special assistance from the Tech Council. You will retain your current organizational manager for all personnel-related matters.


What is the nature of the TC's role in assisting in the coordination of the Developer Advocate's FOLIO-related work?

5 min WOLFCon Presentation UpdatesJeremy HuffProposal: 

Technical Council Shared DriveJeremy HuffI have found the google drive, and can share the link.
1 minDecision LogAll

Standing agenda item... is there anything in the decision log requiring attention? 

Time Permitting

Officially Supported Technologies (OST)

All

Standing agenda item to review/discuss any requested or required changes to officially supported technology lists


Time Permitting

Topic Backlog Grooming

All

Review the topics on our Topic Backlog to remove those that are no longer relevant, modify those that require change, and add topics that might be missing.


NAZoom Chat



Topic Backlog

Decision Log ReviewAll

Review decisions that are in progress.  Can any of them be accepted?  rejected?

Translation SubgroupAllSince we're having trouble finding volunteers for a subgroup, maybe we can make progress during a dedicated discussion session?
Communicating Breaking ChangesAllSince we're having trouble finding volunteers for a subgroup, maybe we can make progress during a dedicated discussion session?
Officially Supported Technologies - UpkeepAll

Previous Notes:

  • A workflow for these pages. When do they transition from one state to another. Do we even need statuses at all ?

Stripes architecture group has some questions about the Poppy release.

Zak: A handshake between developers, dev ops and the TC. Who makes that decision and how do we pass along that knowledge ? E.g. changes in Nodes and in the UI boxes. How to communicate this ? We have a large number of teams, all have to be aware of it.  TC should be alerted that changes are happening. We have a couple of dedicated channels for that. Most dev ops have subscribed to these channels. How can dev ops folk raise issues to the next level of community awareness ? There hasn't been a specific piece of TC to move that along.

Craig: There is a fourth group, "Capacity Planning" or "Release Planning". Slack is the de facto communication channel.  There are no objections to using Slack. An example is the Java 17 RFC. 

Craig: The TC gets it on the agenda and we will discuss it. The TC gets the final say.

Marc Johnson: We shouldn’t use the DevOps Channel. The dev ops folks have made it clear that it should only be used for support requests made to them.

Jakub: Our responsibility is to avoid piling up technical debt.

Marc: Some set of people have to actually make the call. Who lowers the chequered flag ?

Craig: It needs to ultimately come to the TC at least for awareness. There is a missing piece. Capacity Planning needs to provide input here. 

Marc: Stakeholders / Capacity Planning could make that decision. Who makes the decision ? Is it the government or is it some parts of the body ?

Marc: the developers community, the dev ops community and sys ops are involved. For example the Spring Framework discussion or the Java 17 discussion. But it was completely separate to the TC decision. It is a coordination and communication effort.

Marc: Maybe the TC needs to let go that they are the decision makers so that they be a moderating group.

Jakub: I agree with Marc. But we are not a system operating group. Dependency management should be in the responsibility of Release management. There are structures in the project for that.

Jason Root: I agree with Jakub and with Marc also. Policies should drive operational/release/support aspects of Folio.

Jason Root: If the idea of “support” is that frameworks are supported, then of course the project should meet that.

Marc Johnson
Some group needs to inform OleksAii when a relevant policy event occurs.
These documents effectively ARE the manifestation of the policy.

Craig: This is a topic for the next Monday session.

Craig to see if Oleksii Petrenko could join us to discuss the process for updating the officially supported technologies lists.


Dev Documentation VisibilityAll

Possible topic/activity for a Wednesday session:

Discuss/brainstorm:

  • Ideas for the type of developer-facing documentation we think would be most helpful for new developers
  • How we might bring existing documentation up to date and ensure it's consistent 
  • etc.

Action Items

TC members to review policy guidance in Ramsons OST page and provide feedback



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