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08:48:50 From Sara Colglazier (MHC/5C) to Everyone:
Will there be an Item Status for Claimed?
08:50:34 From Jacquie Samples -- Duke to Everyone:
We at Duke create items when they are predicted
08:51:37 From Felix Hemme (ZBW) to Everyone:
When integrating Inventory with CBS we do not expect to have items for individual issues/parts.
08:52:00 From Rita Albrecht to Everyone:
Same with HeBIS libraries
08:52:24 From Sara Colglazier (MHC/5C) to Everyone:
Like Jacquie we were in ALEPH, and so also had that experience of being able to show that something is Claimed or Never Received for Periodicals
08:52:32 From Sara Colglazier (MHC/5C) to Everyone:
Sure
08:53:11 From Charlotte Whitt to Everyone:
We need a PO for item states …
08:53:27 From Jacquie Samples -- Duke to Everyone:
We would have to be able to collapse items on binding, so very temporary items.
08:53:47 From Jacquie Samples -- Duke to Everyone:
Isn't Erin N. the PO now for Item States?
08:54:03 From Laura (she/they) to Everyone:
Not really -- Erin N. is gathering requirements
08:54:12 From Jacquie Samples -- Duke to Everyone:
OK! Sorry to Erin
08:54:32 From Jacquie Samples -- Duke to Everyone:
There is an Acq "not really an item" item like record isn't there?
08:54:49 From Owen Stephens to Everyone:
Yes - you can have that Jacquie
08:57:52 From Lynne Fors to Everyone:
What if receiving history for serials was passed through OAI-PMH for discovery display? Item records could be for issues fully bound into bound items?
08:58:05 From Lynne Fors to Everyone:
for fully received issues
08:58:11 From Rita Albrecht to Everyone:
In our Discovery System the Patrons only get the Information that a Journal has been subscribed but we do not present single issues to them
08:59:53 From Jacquie Samples -- Duke to Everyone:
Probably just the next expected. :)
09:00:47 From Charlotte Whitt to Everyone:
+1 Owen, Jacquie
09:01:25 From Jacquie Samples -- Duke to Everyone:
We have those data in our MARC holdings records, just FYI. Could leverage those somehow, I would hope.
09:03:18 From Felix Hemme (ZBW) to Everyone:
Koha as OSS has those patterns as well.
09:03:56 From Jacquie Samples -- Duke to Everyone:
Complicating prediction is the need to be able to edit the enum/chron data on receipt. Given publisher variability.
09:04:05 From Charlotte Whitt to Everyone:
Yes, we do have enumeration and chronology data properties
09:04:17 From Charlotte Whitt to Everyone:
And caption, year
09:04:48 From Lynne Fors to Everyone:
Would Inventory Item records have to have Year, Caption separated into 2 separate fields for ease of data mapping?
09:05:15 From Ryan Tamares (he/him) to Everyone:
+1 Jacquie, especially for the “special issues” that come up that need manual intervention
09:05:25 From Sara Colglazier (MHC/5C) to Everyone:
Does Caption go over to Inventory upon Receipt? It would be nice if it transferred to Volume in the Item.
09:05:45 From Charlotte Whitt to Everyone:
https://folio-snapshot.dev.folio.org/inventory/view/69640328-788e-43fc-9c3c-af39e243f3b7?query=ABA%20journal&segment=instances&sort=title
09:05:59 From Ann-Marie Breaux to Everyone:
Recent receipt info shows in the FOLIO holdings record
09:07:03 From Lisa F. (Cataloging) to Everyone:
Marc 853-866 would give you the model of how the patterns work https://loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd84188x.html
09:07:15 From Jacquie Samples -- Duke to Everyone:
For what it is worth, I do not like the way that enumeration and chronology is listed currently.
09:07:27 From Charlotte Whitt to Everyone:
+ 1 Lisa F.
09:07:29 From Lynne Fors to Everyone:
+1 Jacquie
09:08:15 From Jacquie Samples -- Duke to Everyone:
it seems that there is a conflation of monographic enumeration with continuing works
09:09:44 From Ann-Marie Breaux to Everyone:
Keep in mind the more libraries that adopt FOLIO and that create FOLIO holdings, the more challenging to change the data elements of the FOLIO holdings record and revise libraries' existing data, especially if one field is broken into multiple fields.'
09:10:46 From Rita Albrecht to Everyone:
In Germany we have an orientation on RDA rather than MARC 21 when it comes to caption and numeration
09:11:11 From Charlotte Whitt to Everyone:
The FOLIO should lean towards RDA, right?
09:11:12 From Ann-Marie Breaux to Everyone:
And right now there are only a very small number of FOLIO libraries using MARC Holdings
09:11:21 From Lisa F. (Cataloging) to Everyone:
Also see CONSER training for holdings SEssion 3 and 4 https://loc.gov/aba/pcc/conser/scctp/HoldingsSlides.html
09:11:51 From Jacquie Samples -- Duke to Everyone:
You should really look at ANSI/NISO Z 39.70.
09:12:05 From Jacquie Samples -- Duke to Everyone:
Sorry Sara! I didn't mean to budge before you.
09:12:17 From Ann-Marie Breaux to Everyone:
Good discussion - we definitely need to capture these suggestion comments on the meeting wiki page
09:12:22 From Lisa F. (Cataloging) to Everyone:
https://www.niso.org/publications/z3971-2006-r2011 HOldings statements for bib items
09:12:49 From Lynne Fors to Everyone:
Year and caption should be separated into two fields, imo
09:12:56 From Jacquie Samples -- Duke to Everyone:
Thanks Lisa F.! I said the wrong standard, oops.
09:13:10 From Rita Albrecht to Everyone:
+1 Lynne
09:13:44 From Ann-Marie Breaux to Everyone:
Yes, Sara - need to be clear about receiving actions and data, then ultimate holdings data (including post-binding) for library staff ad users
09:14:16 From Jacquie Samples -- Duke to Everyone:
I feel that the most granular data allows the various discovery systems to display for patrons (and other librarians)
09:14:27 From Lynne Fors to Everyone:
and a customizable generate button we can hit that will create a caption description in the format that you want.
09:14:48 From Lynne Fors to Everyone:
that you set up in settings
09:15:21 From Charlotte Whitt to Everyone:
Is there a general consensus about splitting Year and Caption?
09:15:31 From Raegan Wiechert to Everyone:
It seems to me that rather than having one mapping, institutions need to be able to set their own mapping.
09:16:17 From Sara Colglazier (MHC/5C) to Everyone:
Good Q! It has been a mystery to me!
09:16:58 From Jacquie Samples -- Duke to Everyone:
Me as well!
09:17:06 From Rita Albrecht to Everyone:
I see a great difference in Information we Need for presentation to our Patrons and data we need for prediction purposes. Those for prediction purposes must be normalized in a way to allow a system to create what we expect from it.
09:17:28 From Ann-Marie Breaux to Everyone:
It might be really helpful to gather some examples for those Enumeration data fields and put on the wiki with real-life info from libraries, especially if they are being used in different ways
09:20:08 From Lynne Fors to Everyone:
Charlotte, +1 for separating year, caption into two fields for me
09:20:20 From Owen Stephens to Everyone:
Thank you all
09:20:36 From Ann-Marie Breaux to Everyone:
Good discussion!
09:22:31 From Jenn Colt to Everyone:
I expect we have training materials if not access
09:22:56 From Lynne Fors to Everyone:
Alma did this really well -> binding items and merging them into one item record
09:23:23 From Owen Stephens to Everyone:
There is Voyager documentation available online at https://knowledge.exlibrisgroup.com/Voyager/Product_Documentation
09:23:32 From Owen Stephens to Everyone:
That may have some information and illustration?