Date
Attendees
- Craig McNally
- Florian Gleixner
- Julian Ladisch
- Jenn Colt
- Maccabee Levine
- Tod Olson
- Patrick Pace (Unlicensed)
- VBar
Discussion items
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Reminder: Please copy/paste the Zoom chat into the notes. If you miss it, this is saved along with the meeting recording, but having it here has benefits.
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- CC: Maccabee Levine
Welcome to new members. Stephen Pampell (TAMU) volunteered as liaison to TC. Shawn Nicholson (Michigan State) volunteered (prior to meeting) as CC member of AWS Cost Review Group.
Developer advocate role. Jeremy summarized work so far. Several members spoke positively. CC will look at budget. Want PC and TC to weigh in on renewal ahead of next CC meeting 8/12.
- PC: Tod Olson
- RMS Group: Jakub Skoczen
- meetings canceled until 7/29
- Security Team: Craig McNally
- Update on candidates for joining the security team:
- Met with Jens Heinrich again. Need to sync up with Kevin Day.
- Will likely be seeking formal approval from the TC soon.
- Update on candidates for joining the security team:
- Tri-council Application Formalization: Jenn Colt
- No meeting last week
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- - Dedicated Discussion: Topic TBD
- - Regular TC Meeting
- - Dedicated Discussion: Topic TBD
- - Regular TC Meeting
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- Florian Gleixner - mod-reading-room: Meeting with development team. Got module and functionality presentation. Another meeting after evaluation is soon is planned.
- Jenn Colt - ui-reading-room - Jenn started evaluation.
- TCR-43: mod-marc-migrations: Jeremy Huff will do the evaluation, Tod Olson and Jason Root will help.
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Technical Council Sub-Groups Updates
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Reminder(s)
- Go RFC still open - admin action required, only a PoC - nothing formal required other than closing the pull request.
- Still Need Decision Log record for application formalization, Go, configuration RFCs
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From Slack:
Hi TC,
Can I request a 15-minute block of time for this coming Monday's meeting?
On behalf of the documentation subgroup, I'll propose a contribution model and best practices for community contributions to developer documentation. This is intended as a conceptual framework and not practical documentation, so to speak. That is, this document won't go in our documentation, but if approved, its propositions will be used for building such.
Please review the following in preparation for the proposal. And if you have any questions or anything, please let me or any member of the subgroup know. And feel free to comment on the document.
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From Slack:
Yesterday the developer documentation group decided on Confluence as documentation platform (Platform Comparisons, Platform Proposal - still rough draft -). The actual documentation work cannot start until the TC has approved this decision. To remove this blocker as early as possible I suggest to put this on Monday's agenda even if the proposal document is still in rough draft status.
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Need to log decisions for the following: (see above)
- Decentralized configuration - Florian is working on this, will come back around next week. Write-up in draft
- Go programming language
- Application formalization - Craig will update next week
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Officially Supported Technologies (OST)
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Check Recurring Calendar
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In the Sys Ops SIG meeting the topic of Reference Data Upgrades came up. The SIG thinks that the solution of this problem for mod-inventory-storage is not enough, but that this problem needs to be solved in a general way, for all modules.
There has been a long discussion 3-4 years ago about how FOLIO should handle reference data upon upgrades. See these links for background:
- Original problem statement
- Input from SysOps SIG
- Proposals considered by Tech Council working group
- Recommendation from Tech Council working group
Previous Notes:
Marc Johnson points out he remembers a difference set of formal processes for this from the previous subgroup
Jason R. asks if the issue is that you cannot specify per-module what type of data to load, or that no matter what is specified the upgrade process overrides it
Marc mentions that the proposal to correct this by Vince is a very involved and complex workflow. There has been no developer resources allocated to correct this issue and address the proposal
No easy solution to this problem because the original default data is lost to time and change
Will reach out to Julian Ladisch when he returns
Notes:
Ingolf Kuss is on vacation. Lets wait until Julian and Ingolf are both here.
Today:
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Date
Attendees
- Craig McNally
- Florian Gleixner
- Julian Ladisch
- Jenn Colt
- Maccabee Levine
- Tod Olson
- Patrick Pace (Unlicensed)
- VBar
- Jeremy Huff
- Marc Johnson
- Taras Spashchenko
Discussion items
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1 min | Scribe | All | Marc Johnson is next, followed by Ingolf Kuss (on vacation until ), then skip Julian Ladisch as he filled in on Maccabee Levine will take notes today. Reminder: Please copy/paste the Zoom chat into the notes. If you miss it, this is saved along with the meeting recording, but having it here has benefits. |
5-10 min | Liaison Updates |
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1 min | Upcoming Meetings | All |
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5-10 min | TCR Board Review | All |
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5 min | Technical Council Sub-Groups Updates | All | Static Code Analysis
Developer Documentation
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1 min | RFCs | All | Reminder(s)
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15 min | /wiki/spaces/DDG/pages/296157187 | Patrick Pace (Unlicensed) | From Slack:
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15 min | Platform Comparisons, Platform Proposal | Julian Ladisch | From Slack:
Platform Proposal
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1 min | Decision Log | All | Need to log decisions for the following: (see above)
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Time Permitting | All | Check Recurring Calendar
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Time Permitting | Reference Data Upgrade | In the Sys Ops SIG meeting the topic of Reference Data Upgrades came up. The SIG thinks that the solution of this problem for mod-inventory-storage is not enough, but that this problem needs to be solved in a general way, for all modules. There has been a long discussion 3-4 years ago about how FOLIO should handle reference data upon upgrades. See these links for background:
Previous Notes: Marc Johnson points out he remembers a difference set of formal processes for this from the previous subgroup Jason R. asks if the issue is that you cannot specify per-module what type of data to load, or that no matter what is specified the upgrade process overrides it Marc mentions that the proposal to correct this by Vince is a very involved and complex workflow. There has been no developer resources allocated to correct this issue and address the proposal No easy solution to this problem because the original default data is lost to time and change Will reach out to Julian Ladisch when he returns Notes: Ingolf Kuss is on vacation. Lets wait until Julian and Ingolf are both here. Today:
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NA | Zoom Chat | Marc Johnson to Everyone 11:41 AM I’m comfortable linking to / raising the awareness of the dynamic documentation My concern was intermingling the two Huff, Jeremy T to Everyone 11:45 AM I believe David took it over from Nassib Nassar Julian Ladisch to Everyone 11:34 AM Dynamic documentation is out of scope of this proposal: Julian Ladisch 11:34 AM "Existing Dynamic Documentation: At the moment, Source map, API, and Endpoint documents are best left at dev.folio.org." Marc Johnson 11:40 AM It was specifically mentioned that even though it was being left, the intent was to later migrate it if possible, and it not to heavily link and style them similarly That decision was in scope of this. Was that an incorrect interpretation? Julian Ladisch 11:47 AM We know that Confluence has page upload APIs but we haven't evaluated whether moving dynamic documentation to Confluence yields usable pages. This evaluation is out of scope of the platform proposal. You to Everyone 11:55 AM https://folio-org.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/PC/pages/298647579/Better+Sample+Data+in+FOLIO+Test+Environments+Working+Group https://docs.google.com/document/d/18DZCx1qYhRTvgi1eRFfvd1qNP95OQFF9Q0-gzV66ki0/edit#heading=h.xiz4ytjbca90 Marc Johnson to Everyone 12:00 PM And then you get odd examples, like baseline circulation rules Craig McNally 12:01 PM mandatory for the system to behave correctly. |
Topic Backlog | ||
Decision Log Review | All | Review decisions that are in progress. Can any of them be accepted? rejected? |
Translation Subgroup | All | Since we're having trouble finding volunteers for a subgroup, maybe we can make progress during a dedicated discussion session? |
Communicating Breaking Changes | All | Currently there is a PoC, developed by Maccabee Levine, of a utility to catalog Github PRs that have been labeled with the "breaking change" label. We would like to get developer feedback on the feasibility of this label being used more often, and the usefulness of this utility. |
Officially Supported Technologies - Upkeep | All | Previous Notes:
Stripes architecture group has some questions about the Poppy release. Zak: A handshake between developers, dev ops and the TC. Who makes that decision and how do we pass along that knowledge ? E.g. changes in Nodes and in the UI boxes. How to communicate this ? We have a large number of teams, all have to be aware of it. TC should be alerted that changes are happening. We have a couple of dedicated channels for that. Most dev ops have subscribed to these channels. How can dev ops folk raise issues to the next level of community awareness ? There hasn't been a specific piece of TC to move that along. Craig: There is a fourth group, "Capacity Planning" or "Release Planning". Slack is the de facto communication channel. There are no objections to using Slack. An example is the Java 17 RFC. Craig: The TC gets it on the agenda and we will discuss it. The TC gets the final say. Marc Johnson: We shouldn’t use the DevOps Channel. The dev ops folks have made it clear that it should only be used for support requests made to them. Jakub: Our responsibility is to avoid piling up technical debt. Marc: Some set of people have to actually make the call. Who lowers the chequered flag ? Craig: It needs to ultimately come to the TC at least for awareness. There is a missing piece. Capacity Planning needs to provide input here. Marc: Stakeholders / Capacity Planning could make that decision. Who makes the decision ? Is it the government or is it some parts of the body ? Marc: the developers community, the dev ops community and sys ops are involved. For example the Spring Framework discussion or the Java 17 discussion. But it was completely separate to the TC decision. It is a coordination and communication effort. Marc: Maybe the TC needs to let go that they are the decision makers so that they be a moderating group. Jakub: I agree with Marc. But we are not a system operating group. Dependency management should be in the responsibility of Release management. There are structures in the project for that. Jason Root: I agree with Jakub and with Marc also. Policies should drive operational/release/support aspects of Folio. Jason Root: If the idea of “support” is that frameworks are supported, then of course the project should meet that. Marc Johnson Craig: This is a topic for the next Monday session. Craig to see if Oleksii Petrenko could join us to discuss the process for updating the officially supported technologies lists. |
Dev Documentation Visibility | All | Possible topic/activity for a Wednesday session: Discuss/brainstorm:
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API linting within our backend modules | All | https://folio-project.slack.com/archives/CAQ7L02PP/p1713343461518409 |
PR Templates | All | https://folio-project.slack.com/archives/CAQ7L02PP/p1713445649504769 Hello team, Small request to consider. Regarding pr templates.
What I suggest is that, pr template shouldn't be any instructions, because most developer who are creating pr have already understand the rules. If we put just two section into template, it will encourage developers to write more about their work and that lead to knowledge sharing among developers. |
Java 21 | All | https://folio-project.slack.com/archives/CAQ7L02PP/p1713445764285349 Is Tech Council considering to update to java 21, I head good things from Netflix engineering teams about Garbage collector |
Proposed Mod Kafka | All | https://folio-project.slack.com/archives/CAQ7L02PP/p1714471592534689 Mike Taylor Proposal. If and only if a FOLIO instance is running Kafka, it should insert and enable a module called mod-kafka, which consists entirely of a module descriptor that says it provides the interface kafka. The purpose is so that other modules can use the standard <IfInterface> and similar tools to determine whether they should attempt Kafka operations. Rationale: the FOLIO ILS depends absolutely on Kafka, but other uses of the platform will not. One such example: a dev platform that includes only mod-users, used as a source of change events for Metadb. |
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