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Attendees: Taylor Smith Jennifer Eustis Ryan Taylor Christie Thomas Raegan Wiechert Yael Hod Autumn Faulkner Robert Pleshar Jeanette Kalchik Lynne Fors
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Agenda:
- Agenda topics:
- Begin Requirements discussions for UXPROD-4081: Refine and standardize handling of 035 OCLC numbers in MARC records (including potential duplicates)
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- Further Quesnelia feature requirement details
- Demo/discussion of the new large file "slicing" feature in Poppy
ChatAnn-Marie to Everyone 1:09 PM
And are there topics that are not in the "in scope" section that need to be WRT
matching?Autumn Faulkner (she/her) to Everyone 1:03 PM
80k 😲
Christie Thomas (she/her) to Everyone to Everyone 1:16 06 PMExactly!
Jennifer Eustis (UMass/5Colleges) to Everyone 1:29 PM
Also exported to 3rd party systems for DD/ILL or WorldCat
Ann-Marie to Everyone 1:29 PM
We like polls! definitely good idea, and something to run by the larger community
Christie Thomas (she/her) to Everyone 1:29 PM
+1 lloyd
Jennifer Eustis (UMass/5Colleges) to Everyone 1:31 PM
For single record imports, sometimes the 035 is generated multiple times
It would work for us. That is our current practice.
Jennifer Eustis to Everyone 1:06 PM
That's our current practice too
Autumn Faulkner (she/her) to Everyone 1:07 PM
yep. +1 to this prefix
Lynne Fors to Everyone 1:08 PM
We remove leading zeros and ocn/ocn and keep the (OCoLC) prefix
Raegan Wiechert to Everyone 1:09 PM
+1
Christie Thomas (she/her) to Everyone to Everyone 1:31 10 PMIt is! We see that a lot.
And even when it is in the same form.
Lynne Fors to Everyone 1:31 PM
And overlays can add HRIDs as 035s when they shouldn't.
Jenn Colt to Everyone 1:32 PM
The OCLC docs read to me that once the OCLC number is out of the 001 it should not have prefixes https://help.oclc.org/Metadata_Services/Fundamentals/WorldShare_Collection_Manager_Fundamentals/Data_sync_collections_(Fundamentals)/Prepare_your_data_(Fundamentals)/30035_field_and_OCLC_control_numbers
Ann-Marie to Everyone 1:34 PM
Also a good point, Lloyd - data migration for the existing data needs to be taken into account as well, to be sure previously loaded and newly-loaded data are being treated the same way
Jennifer Eustis (UMass/5Colleges) to Everyone 1:35 PM
This happened to us in the 5C. We cleaned up our OCLC numbers so that we removed the prefix to have only (OCoLC)number. Now with the 001/003 generation, we now have variations in the formats
Ann-Marie to Everyone 1:35 PM
Really good point about ISBNs, Christie - I'm continually frustrated by how hard ISBNs are to use as matchpoints, due to having a non-number (X) in ISBN-10s, not currently normalizing between 10s and 13s, and having extraneous data like binding sometimes in the MARC $a and always in the Instance ISBN
Corrie Hutchinson to Everyone 1:36 PM
I’m not advocating one option over another. Just curious about all the ways to address this issue.Well, it sounds like no one is disagreeing with removing leading 0s here.
+1
Lynne Fors to Everyone 1:15 PM
I delete them and haven't had any problems
Christie Thomas (she/her) to Everyone 1:15 PM
It is OCLC specific
Lynne Fors to Everyone 1:15 PM
019 are all cancelled control numbers
jeanette kalchik to Everyone 1:17 PM
We do not map our 019 to the instance.
Christie Thomas (she/her) to Everyone to Everyone 1:37 21 PMAbsolutely, Corrie! I think it is definitely worth asking the question and understanding the impact.
Jennifer Eustis (UMass/5Colleges) to Everyone 1:37 PM
We sometimes end up with 3 OCLC numbers strangely enough
Christie Thomas It should be the same.
jeanette kalchik to Everyone 1:25 PM
Is it related to https://folio-org.atlassian.net/browse/MODSOURMAN-719?
Autumn Faulkner (she/her) to Everyone to Everyone 1:37 26 PMThat happens to all of us, too!
Jennifer Eustis (UMass/5Colleges) to Everyone 1:37 PM
Right now we can't do marc modifications on LDR, 001, 003 or fixed fields
Corrie Hutchinson to Everyone 1:38 PM
+1 Jenn
Jenn Colt to Everyone 1:38 PM
Only for very old ones
Less than 8 digits
Ann-Marie to Everyone 1:39 PM
Those leading zeroes are such a dang pain - and I didn't even realize they were there until I was playing with ISRI a bunch one dayI need to check with our metadata management folks but I'm not sure this is happening at MSUL?
I remember it was an issue at one point
Jennifer Eustis to Everyone 1:27 PM
Not anymore. However, if something goes wrong during the process, sometimes there is no 001 in the record
Christie Thomas (she/her) to Everyone to Everyone 1:40 PM
They are a pain! We have som many staff that rely on reporting on Excel and having those leading zeroes makes Excel reporting a problem.
Jenn Colt to Everyone 1:41 PM
Any of those!
Jenn Colt to Everyone 1:52 PM
Yeah I wondered if these are kind of the same issue in some way
Ann-Marie to Everyone 1:53 PM
One thing that may help is automating some of the tests related to these bugfixes - if it's working, and then a change breaks it, the automated test will catch it immediately.
Jennifer Eustis (UMass/5Colleges) to Everyone 1:59 PM
For the 970, it would be great to discuss how we can handle the cleanup left when a job is cancelled. Right now, we've found that this is very manual and sometimes needs reports to find lost records
Jennifer Eustis (UMass/5Colleges) to Everyone 2:01 PM
That happens to us all the time
Lynne Fors to Everyone 2:03 PM
If it came up in the last week or so, it was probably me28 PM
Right, Jennifer. I remember that bug, too.
But I have not seen that in a while.
Jennifer Eustis to Everyone 1:29 PM
It does create a new one
Lynne Fors to Everyone 1:30 PM
and a cleanup script would be great
Ann-Marie to Everyone 1:43 PM
A few links for chat- here's the Feature that Ryan is discussing: https://folio-org.atlassian.net/browse/UXPROD-4081
And here's a feature that partially addresses the 001/003 situation, but not as much WRT settings as we have previously discussed. Still hunting to see if I can find a better existing Jira: https://folio-org.atlassian.net/browse/UXPROD-4442
And here's a link to moving the 001/003/035 handling: https://folio-org.atlassian.net/browse/MODINV-849
Christie Thomas (she/her) to Everyone 1:47 PM
Cross App might be a good connection, too.
Christie Thomas (she/her) 1:47 PM
I was just seconding your comment, Jennifer!