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Date

https://openlibraryfoundation.zoom.us/j/88432586375

Recording:

Attendees: 

Jenn Colt

Tod Olson

Maccabee Levine

Kristin Martin

Craig McNally

Wayne Schneider

Kirstin Kemner-Heek

Goals

  • Next steps

Discussion items

TimeItemWhoNotes
5minUpdates on RFCs, PoC, etcCraig, others
  • Folio Eureka Platform Overview
  • A tri council meeting should be coming up. What do we need from that meeting?
  • Craig:
    • working on finishing up RFC, at TC final review in the next couple weeks-ish

Next steps based on TC and PC MeetingsAll

How could we help prepare the hosting community for Eureka?

  • those outside EBSCO are not in a position to be able to just do Eureka right now
  • need sample environment with documented deployment, it doesn't have to be a cookbook just a model you could adopt

Could there be Eureka hosting session at WC?

  • Sessions have already been submitted and none are exactly like this but several will be of interest to sys ops:
    • session on manager component
  • Harder to do a session on deployment because of difference in environments, EBSCO only has nuts and bolts details on what they use

What would a model look like?

  • detailed diagram
  • example implementation that can be adapted
  • FOLIO devops team newly funded, how can they be involved?
  • new reference environment with deployment scripts
  • some practical model - how would I do this in ECS theoretically or in Kubernetes
  • layout of a deployment strategy

Current work in Rancher envs:

  • Kitfox updating to support Rancher envs using Eureka plus a hosting reference environment
  • Some of this work should come online this summer and should help give examples. Craig will look at the timeline.

How does the transition actually happen?

  • What is the roadmap for the transition?
  • Do we want to support 2 platforms?
  • How do we support the transition?
  • How do we know who is hosting?
  • How can we avoid leaving people in the lurch?
  • Ask Kitfox to be in touch with the sysops sig to let them know what they are working on and schedule a demo when they are ready. Sys ops is well positioned to disseminate info
  • Craig can touch base with Kitfox about what works/makes sense for them
  • Should we have a project manager/product owner for the transition?
  • What is our intention? Do we want everyone to get to Eureka? What is the plan for how to get there?
  • If we really want every one to get there need to support those doing hosting
  • What if there is pushback?
  • If we make a community choice, it is expressing a community preference that others are not required to follow but will require them to potentially support their alternative themselves
  • Should the RFCs be completed before asking the community/councils to endorse a path?
  • Is there value to the RFC process if it isn't going to cause any change? What level of investment in the RFC process is worth?
  • Pushback could surface in sysops but in the moment it is more like pockets of concern than outright rejection. Kirstin will talk to Ingolf about taking the temperature
  • RFCs allow for consensus and potentially improvement to proposals
  • RFCs could also illuminate what aspects of module reviews need to be updated
  • Abstracts for RFCs already exist, going forward with them allows any disagreement to get worked out
  • However RFCs aren't really designed to deal with large strategic upheaval

Upcoming tri-council meeting

  • We could recommend councils endorse movement toward Eureka as well as given an update with reasons why, talk about alternatives, ask for vote
  • Would we want RFCs squared away first?
  • Are the councils representative enough of the people most affected?
  • Do people understand enough of the implications to vote for an endorsement?
  • If we do not move along with the Eureka team we could end up stuck in the transition period of supporting two "platforms" longer

Draft summary documentAll

Draft summary document: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rc4xgJQsNFlXoHW6lAI7MbF8MzaWDb9QW2eryiiyNTo/edit

Draft of answered questions still to come




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