2024-12-11 Eureka Adoption
- Jenn Colt
- Julian Ladisch
Date
Attendees
- Craig McNally
- Jenn Colt
- Julian Ladisch
- Ingolf Kuss
- Marc Johnson
- Wayne Schneider
- Maccabee Levine
- Tod Olson
- Jason Root
Discussion items
| Time | Item | Who | Notes |
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| 1 min | Scribe | All | Marc Johnson is next, followed by Ingolf Kuss Reminder: Please copy/paste the Zoom chat into the notes. If you miss it, this is saved along with the meeting recording, but having it here has benefits. |
| 60 min | Eureka Adoption | All |
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| Notes | Notes:
Jenn Colt: Community will not be able to run a bugfest Marc Johnson: bugfests need capacity for people to do the testing, and this would cause double work Wayne Schneider: do we already have bugfests for the two platforms Craig McNally: yes Jenn Colt: bugfixing has to done for the two platforms, and do functional tests have to be done in both platforms? Ingolf Kuss: do we have resources for two platforms in devops/bugfest? Craig McNally: CSPs documentation says, that bugs shall be fixed in current and the 2 releases before Marc Johnson: in reality: the last two generally available releases. Wayne Schneider: is this document (table above) a proposal the TC wants to decide to? Craig McNally / Marc Johnson: Just a idea to start discussion Jenn Colt: Is this Ebscos timeline Craig McNally: will check Ingolf Kuss: Difference between CSP and bugfixes Jenn Colt and Marc Johnson: Does the community commit to support Okapi or will the community switch to Eureka due to lack of possibility to support Okapi further? Marc Johnson: Will bug reports will be accepted, if the reproduction is only done in one of the platforms? Marc Johnson: Developers and implementers need to get kickstarted for Eureka Craig McNally: Early adopters already committed - knowledge spreads Wayne Schneider: different people and groups are trying to get involved with Eureka already Marc Johnson: what information does the community need for a decision in the tri-council in january to be able to commit to the plan to be Eureca-centric for sunflower. Jenn Colt: If something goes wrong and Eureka will not work, then the decision has to be rethinked. Craig McNally: How could proposals for decisions look at? Jenn Colt: All energy goes to Eureka or we try to support both for a transition time. Mark Veksler: Community could help enhancing development documentation Marc Johnson: Investment will be lower when we only have to support one platform Craig McNally: Benefits also from external managed parts like keycloak and kong Mark Veksler: Do we all agree, that Eureka is the right way, and are we talking about timing? And can Maccabee Levine or others help on developer documentation? Craig McNally and Jenn Colt will outline a proposal - we will need another discussion. Wayne Schneider: do we need CSPs or do we provide CSPs for Sunflower with Okapi? _____ Craig: What happens if the adoption gets pushed further to another FOLIO release? List of modules for an RFC? - impressive list Julian: 2 decisions here: Do we adopt for Sunflower even though it's technically past that deadline? The approved technology stack is already approved for Sunflower. Is there an overlap period for supporting both Okapi/Eureka? SSO/login modules have completely changed in Eureka. Marc Johnson: Does the community approve adopting Eureka in the first place? Do we have a special process for this? Points out Ebsco is a large contributor to the community technically The assumption - At some point if Eureka is adopted by the community at large, is it a given that Okapi envs will stop being supported by the community at large? There are a set of decisions that need to be made - Community support? Adoption? Need a transition plan? How do we structure these decisions? Multiple options on the table: Support Eureka and Eureka only from Sunflower. Combined support from Sunflower until a future release. Support Okapi for more long term with transition plan Next steps? Experience in early adopter program? Craig: There are cost implications for supporting both Okapi/Eureka. Several back-end modules for login no longer needed in Eureka. Over time less code that needs to be maintained, management users and tokens handled at a higher level. Concrete action items for next meeting? Jen: Isn't the community technically supporting both platforms at the moment? We are making a decision for the whole community here.. Is it true that development is supported with Okapi on Sunflower? Or after? Is the early adopter program an actual program? Vince: Lots of effort to test both environments. Development could shift to primarily Eureka environments in Rancher. New modules have a different workflows, and a different permissions model on the management level. New development is being done on Eureka, if it needs to be tested on Okapi - but who would be addressing these issues? Another way is not to do that, and support the other way around. Jason: Putting the cart before the horse - still need to vote on adoption or not. Asks about what development resources would be shifted or different with Okapi vs Eureka. We need to decide if there's a transition plan, because some have stated you can just run on Okapi as a fall-back? Who in the community would support this? Not many outside of Ebsco who have exp. with running the platform right now.. Kristin: Needs to be able to organize their platform upgrades/transitions. Points out that this platform is currently only running on AWS infra - no other "local" or "non-AWS" examples out there. Will Eureka be supported for local installations? Adoption needs to be planned securely and sustainably. Needs to be vetted for local installations by the community. Mark V: The more people that start getting involved in the early adoption, the better off we'll be. ... (More notes to come after I review the recording, hard to keep up with the convo...) Overall chicken in egg scenario: Community is blocked on adoption until TC agrees, but community doesn't have experience to help in deciding to adopt or to support. Craig, Mark and Vince will come up with narrowed options based on discussion. | ||
| Background | Slack conversations:
RFC in preparation: Relevant dates:
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| - | Zoom Chat | 00:06:35 Wayne Schneider: (note the module is named mod-permissions with an "s", just a typo fix)
00:30:01 Jason Root: Yes the Flower release and snapshot reference environments will need to be retooled.
00:36:33 Julian Ladisch: https://jenkins-aws.indexdata.com/view/KitFox/job/folioRancher/job/tmpFolderForDraftPipelines/job/Eureka/job/createDailySnapshotEureka/
00:37:42 Julian Ladisch: https://folio-etesting-snapshot-keycloak.ci.folio.org
00:39:08 Kirstin Kemner-Heek: Ar Wolfcon with GBV :-)
00:39:20 Julian Ladisch: Eureka CLI (under /eureka-cli), a CLI written in GO to automate the deployment of both UI and Backend modules locally (an early prototype): https://github.com/folio-org/eureka-setup
00:39:42 Kirstin Kemner-Heek: I thought there are some more libraries part of this program, like NLA and Cornell?
00:40:18 Kirstin Kemner-Heek: +1
00:40:48 Kirstin Kemner-Heek: Yes, from a non AWS Service Provider perspective
00:42:53 Kirstin Kemner-Heek: The GBV earlyl adopters program starts officially at mid of January. We just do some pre-work now. It will hopefully be finished 4-6 weeks later.
00:45:48 Craig McNally: Thanks for clarifying Kirstin
00:46:06 Ingolf Kuss: Can we vote on bringing this to the Tri Council in the Name of the TC ?
00:50:03 Day, Kevin: It was not my hand.
00:51:10 Craig McNally: Replying to "It was not my hand."
sorry about that... my eyes have deceived me :)
01:03:45 Kirstin Kemner-Heek: I need to leave. Thank you.
01:06:30 Wayne Schneider: As an observer, I just want to thank the TC for this careful consideration. I need to drop.
01:06:38 Ingolf Kuss: Reacted to "As an observer, I ju..." with ðŸ‘
01:08:00 Craig McNally: Reacted to "As an observer, I ju..." with 👠| |
