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2025-06-18 FOLIO contribution network proposal

2025-06-18 FOLIO contribution network proposal

Owned by Jenn Colt
Last updated: Jun 18, 2025

Date

Jun 18, 2025

Attendees 

  • @Craig McNally

  • @Jenn Colt

  • @Julian Ladisch

  • @Kevin Day

  • @Marc Johnson

  • @Ingolf Kuss

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@Tod Olson is next, followed by @Jakub Skoczen

Reminder:  Please copy/paste the Zoom chat into the notes.  If you miss it, this is saved along with the meeting recording, but having it here has benefits.

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FOLIO Contribution Network

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https://docs.google.com/document/d/15zK4lJ4vo4goj-AzoXMompDbnLWT8uRwWiiQd_llaDY/edit?usp=sharing

  • endorsement aspect question

    • how to make it reputation based without metrics/endorsements

    • will people willing do public reviews?

  • "implementations"- confusing term - development projects?

  • legal advice about the directory - providing bad references can be bad

  • membership dues funneling is complicated

  • ownership model in the community now is based on dev teams, not sponsorship

  • right now no community organized money that goes through community channels, all done through private agreements

  • how does ownership affect existing ownership for the module?
    how does it affect willingness to do it when some folks are paid and some folks aren't?
    could be socially complicated

  • what does this mean from the security point of view? security vetting? how to secure what appears in the marketplace?

  • setting standards for maintainers to live up to

  • what modules can be covered by the general support pool?

  • how is the work evaluated

  • what happens to current support teams

  • how to handle competing concerns

  • evaluation of maintenance load is very subjective
    hard to be objective

  • imposes opinions on how things should be maintained

  • resulting in conflicts
    when new teams is onboarding they have fresh perspective and unique collective experience so might prefer different tech
    decide to rewrite things, can cause friction
    guidelines or policing of this
    TC's mission is to resolve conflicts

  • how did MOUs work out? not really enforceable?

  • what is maintenance vs development?
    need more demarcation

  • not all modules have long term teams, QA, perf testing, etc

  • not every part of the community does development in the same way

  • can the scope be more defined?
    is it a safety net?

  • some pot of money for maintenance when it isn't being done
    commonality with this and the community driven development
    deal with the overlap between the proposals

  • orgs could do this off on their own - pooling money

  • why do we need something this heavy weight? scoring? etc

  • seems like overkill

  • who does all this?

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Zoom Chat



00:17:29 Craig McNally: I think I just heard that in the UK, you can't provide a negative reference? So you either provide a positive one, or refuse to provide a reference at all? 00:19:51 Craig McNally: absolutely Marc, even from country to country within a given region 00:21:52 Marc Johnson: Replying to "I think I just heard…" It’s not that you can’t, it’s that IIUC it can possibly be legally challenged I don’t know the details. I believe many large orgs provide very general references e.g. term of service, holiday used, role / title, without subjective details about performance 00:21:58 Marc Johnson: Reacted to "absolutely Marc, eve…" with 👍 00:22:52 Craig McNally: Replying to "I think I just heard..." interesting 00:24:58 Matt Weaver: Replying to "I think I just heard..." In many parts of the US, you also can’t provide negative references. I’ve never heard anything about positive ones, though. So here, references tend to be either “they are amazing!” or “yes, I can confirm they worked here from <date> to <date>” 00:26:51 Matt Weaver: Replying to "I think I just heard..." (That’s just going from what various HR people have told me before. I suspect it’s more nuanced than “you can’t say negative things” and probably more along the lines of, “you have to tread carefully to avoid potential legal issues, so rather than try and thread that needle, our official policy is that you never say anything negative”) 00:31:08 Day, Kevin: Btw, Do we have someone taking notes? I don't see Todd or Jakub. 00:31:15 Jenn Colt: I am 00:31:20 Day, Kevin: Reacted to "I am" with 👍 00:35:39 Ingolf Kuss: I Germany, a reference has to be "benevolent", which means that you are not supposed to say negative things. 00:43:06 Marc Johnson: Reacted to "In many parts of the…" with 👍 00:43:15 Marc Johnson: Reacted to "(That’s just going f…" with 👍