@Maccabee Levine Are there any more expected changes to the proposal?
@Jeremy Huff The costs are more flexible that those explicitly outlined in the proposal.
@Marc Johnson We should stick to the official release schedule regardless of the community’s ability to stick to the schedule.
Trillium may be GA before the end of 2025.
The Early Adopters do not feel that there is sufficient production support for Euerka until at least early 2026.
Nov 2025 to March 2026 does not cover the time period being considered.
Support for Sunflower and Okapi may push this schedule.
@Jeremy Huff's understanding is that Trillium GA ends support for Ramsons.
@Marc Johnson Does this proposal suggest skipping Sunflower for people staying with Ramsons until they are ready for Eureka?
@Jeremy Huff This proposal is not making any specific recommendations on this.
@Charlotte Whitt No libraries have been moved into production with Eureka yet. We need to buy extra time.
@Craig McNally The Library of Congress has Eureka and Gallileo will be going live soon.
@Charlotte Whitt is talking about libraries already using OKAPI that need to upgrade rather than new libraries starting on Eureka (that were never on OKAPI).
@Marc Johnson We need to focus on the impact..
@Jeremy Huff answers that migration is not part of the scope.
@Julian Ladisch Points out that another option might be to add Okapi support to the Sunflower release (see chat conversation).
@Jeremy Huff Security is a must. The costs could potentially be reduced if focused solely on CSP support.
@Ingolf Kuss There are no plans for OKAPI Sunflower CSP support.
@Jenn Colt Are we asking the community for what? Money?
The TC is not involved in the release process (nor is the PC).
Aside from CSP, most of this is outside of governance.
@Jeremy Huff “In kind contributions” would help (Community Driven Development).
This working group should come out of this with an effective model regardless of the state of Ramsons.
Top level direction and organization is needed.
We should be a self-sustaining community that is not dependent on commercial interests in order to stay afloat.
@Jenn Colt Not being dependent only commercial interests is a big statement and this is a big ask.
Making decisions on “extenting Ramsons” or “getting OKAPI for Sunflower” kinds of decisions are difficult for the community to make.
This is not about rejecting commercial interests and is instead about diversifying our interests.
@Jeremy Huff Clarifies that he is not talking about any particular commercial interests rather than being dependent on any commercial interests at all.
@Jeremy Huff , @Maccabee Levine , and @Marc Johnson agree with diversifying our interests.
@Marc Johnson also notes that this diversification of interests is separate from the proposal.
@Jeremy Huff responds that these proposal are presenting an opportunity for the community (as a group) to take charge and to contribute.
@Marc Johnson There is a “Chicken and Egg” problem.
Whether we want to or not, it is likely going to take volunteers, even with the money.
The TC shouldn’t take part in the financial decisions and such decisions are part of another councils decision making.
We should instead consider how we are deciding for official support and having an explicit stance.
@Jeremy Huff The Ramsons CSP support would be easier for TAMU.
@Jenn Colt This might be confusing for the rest of the community.
@Craig McNally Doesn’t understand what decision we are trying to make.
@Jenn Colt There is no specific goal.
@Craig McNally thinks that we are not yet at a point to vote on this. We need more information.
@Marc Johnson This is our “chicken and the egg” problem.
@Jeremy Huff The purpose of this proposal is specifically to get the community’s endorsements.
@Marc Johnson So then the question is if we endorse this?
@Jenn Colt This proposal states intend to extend Ramsons rather than stating form a working group.
@Marc Johnson Why don’t we do smaller steps and designate the working group.
After that, the working group can bring in a proposal for extending support of Ramsons.
We should get a lazy consensus on this ASAP.
After that, there may be volunteers.
We can vote Today on endorsement.
Then later we can discuss extending (or not) Ramsons
Going GA with Sunflower locks us in with the release cycle, affecting Ramsons. (Going Sunflower GA with Eureka.)
@Jenn Colt What happens if some decide to go Sunflower with OKAPI? Is this a failure?
@Jeremy Huff It is a compromised victory rather than a failure.
@Marc Johnson Can we make a mini-decisions regarding the working group?
@Jenn Colt There are no alternative proposals.
@Marc Johnson remarks that a significant number of voting TC members will be changing by the by the end of WolfCon.