2025-05-15 Tri-Council Meeting notes

2025-05-15 Tri-Council Meeting notes

 Date

May 15, 2025, 10-11 AM Eastern Time

Recording: https://recordings.openlibraryfoundation.org/folio/product-council/2025-05-15T09:55/

 Participants

 

 Discussion topics

Time

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Presenter

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5 min

Budget update

@Kathleen Berry

Draft budget and update after discussion at https://folio-org.atlassian.net/wiki/x/EYArO

  • tentatively accepted green column H and I

  • Projected Total income + carry over $550K

  • Total Expenses dips into carryover, leaving $5K, not dipping into reserves.

  • PC is currently leading effort to expand engagement and membership which will increase income

  • Action items:

    • Craig to follow up with Wayne on next steps for Equinix

    • Kat confirming AWS costs with EBSCO to confirm both bugfest and performance testing are covered - will follow up with Mark Veksler

10 min.

Announcements/Updates from the Councils

Council Chairs

CC: @Simeon Warner

  • completed governance doc cleanup, the most substantive part of which was agreement on a uniform voting process

  • developed letters to folio institutions that are not members to encourage community participation and that is currently waiting on clarification of the mailing list

  • There was a Community Update along with PC and TC chairs and Jesse to describe Wolfcon a couple of weeks ago

  • Approved the budget last week as Kat just described, pending those clarifications on EBSCO support

  • Looking at renewing the DevOps support contract with index data, which will be discussed at the next CC meeting

PC: @Caitlin Stewart & @Alexis Manheim

  • Active working groups:

    • SIG Priorities working group

    • Community Driven Development

    • New PC Jira project to track evaluation of new functionality

TC: @Jenn Colt & @Craig McNally

  • Prepping for WOLFCOn

  • Reviewing TC roles and responsibilities

  • Follow up on Eureka decision

5 min

Summit followups

@Christopher Spalding @Simeon Warner

Summit (https://folio-org.atlassian.net/wiki/x/KgD8Ng ) followups

Decisions:

  • Agreement that for upcoming elections, it is ok for people to stand for election with the promise of membership (must be members to be seated)

  • Keep membership levels the same this year; added “friends of FOLIO” donation option

Plans in development stemming from this summit:

  • Plan to develop a longer term membership plan

  • Plan to measure what the community does

  • Cultivate healthy software development network - currently being reviewed by PC

  • Group formed to review the vision statement

  • Letter to non-member institutions

  • Group being formed to look into line item contributions from vendors

  • Tom working on marketplace concept - see 2025-05-12 Community Council Meeting Minutes

 

5 min

Elections update

@Joseph Grobelny

Elections

  • Schedule and planning updates

    • councils will get an update on number of nominees May 29, 2025

    • nomination will run until Jun 6, 2025

    • election will run Jun 9, 2025 - Jun 27, 2025 may be extended through weekend

    • Terms start Jul 1, 2025

  • Recruiting new candidates

    • Please encourage people to self-nominate (especially from new organizations)

    • There are significant numbers of term-limited people rolling off councils

30 min

Eureka/Sunflower release contingencies

@Alexis Manheim @Jeremy Huff

Okapi support for Ramsons

Alexis:

  • Last Monday there was a discussion of Sunflower in release management meeting

  • Prompted a discussion a discussion of Eureka timeline

  • CC and PC approved Eureka with caveat that early adopters needed to feel comfortable. General consensus was that no one wants to release Sunflower or Trillium, but we also need to know that the early adopters are supported.

  • Tomorrow there is a meeting to discuss whether Sunflower can be released next week

  • Still discussing the support plan for Eureka

Jeremy:

  • TAMU has been working on getting Eureka set up since February. Working in parallel with GBV and Index Data with help from EPAM and EBSCO. The effort is progressing but current version does not represent something they can deploy to production yet

  • Currently planning to stay on Okapi until they feel confident moving onto Eureka, which will likely be sometime next year.

  • Will be upgrading to Ramsons soon, but this will be the last release with Okapi support.

  • Ultimate goal is to extend Ramsons support until early adopters are ready to move forward with Eureka.

    • How much would this cost?

    • What mechanism can we use to do that?

  • Multiple working groups are currently looking into community development.

  • Idea: tap community resources, in-kind develop contributions, to support Ramsons

  • This is a great opportunity to pilot community driven development in a context that is tightly scoped and urgently needed

  • CSP Cost Analysis and Projection

    • This is a ROUGH estimate

      • Looked at cadence and decline of severity on CSPs

      • Used this as a model to predict service patches for November through March.

    • Roles needed:

      • release manager, Tech Lead, Dev Engineers

    • Prices based on idea of contractual arrangements; does not account for an in-kind contribution model

Proposal: Tri-Council Expression of intent to extend CSP level support for OKAPI Ramsons Release

  • formation of community driven development working group

  • Launch CDD model at WOLFCon

  • Preparations begin after WOLFCon, extend through March

Discussion:

  • Challenge: timeline - Sunflower Decision is predicated on decision around CDD

  • Support for a version of FOLIO impacts the entire community

  • If we are unable to secure adequate in-kind resources, we could pay

  • Trillium is an extra large release targeting October; traditionally these are quite late - may not be released until January. That means there will be support for Ramsons until that time. Theoretically there should not be P1s at this time

    • National Library of Sweden is dependent on this for go-live. They are working towards Eureka

  • Why not spend the CDD effort getting ready for Eureka? Eureka progress and Ramsons support are not mutually exclusive

  • Urgency of not going out of support - how big a deal is this? Many institutions choose to go out of support for a period.

  • Estimate may be low - need to be more specific about what is a P1, is this only P1s? Are P1s or security related? security related P1s require full Have to update and rerun tests, additional security oversight. Verifying in bugfest, communication, infrastructure (this as not accounted for in budget proposal), in addition to bugfest there must by a performance testing environment. Mark will follow up via email.

    • infrastructure could be in-kind contribution

  • Follow up on further questions will go to tri-council meeting

  • Sunflower go/no go decision is tomorrow - Kristin proposes going ahead with it

  • This is an opportunity to execute a timeboxed experiment in community development

  • Might be useful to do a

  • For some roles a minimum of 50% would be required, others 10%

  • Trillium needs to go out in late 2025; early adopters need until 2026 - we are already behind the eightball and if people are interested in community support regardless of council input

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