2023-09-11 Meeting notes: UI options for "save" button | part II

Date

Sep 11, 2023

Meeting Time:   12 pm ET / 5 pm UK / 6 pm CET

Zoom

Meeting URL: https://zoom.us/j/869183544  - Password needed: please see here.

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Housekeeping

• Convener and notes @Martina Schildt 

• Next meeting: Sep 20, 2023 

Discussion items

1. UI options for "save" button

   1. Mock-ups  (@Gill Osguthorpe )

Open

Minutes

• Background to why we discuss this topic:

  • The need for a "save" button / a just "save" option has been raised in different SIGs and has been discussed in the App Interaction SIG

  • there is already work going on in Quickmarc to have a "save & keep editing" button

  • but there are more options when it comes to saving, such as "create another" which is a checkbox at the moment

  • important: there should not be too many buttons

• to have a good and consistent UI @Gill Osguthorpe has created some mock-ups with different options

• MM SIG had presented some suggestions in a previous meeting, but was absolutely fine to continue with Gill's mock-ups

• Gill demos the mock-ups and the different options

• Zak: we need to establish a pattern of how things are displayed - implementation is done by the various development teams themselves and is done per app

• each feature such as "save and keep editing", "save and duplicate" needs to be implemented for each application separately

• the pattern is supposed to be a pattern across all apps

• immediate votes in the call on Gill's mock-ups

  • A1 +1

  • B2 +3

  • C2 +2 - set action and have it persist

• general feedback: any of the options is fine, it would be great to have a separate save option and consistency

• Phil: If we choose option A - "save & close" and drop-down icon: it would be good to have the buttons be displayed in the same colour for it to be obvious that both buttons are selectable and clickable

  • Thomas in chat: The solid background is usually used for the ‘default’ option, so I can see that.

• Gill presents one more option that is not part of the survey:

  • Instead of having a primary button, the button displays "Actions" and a drop-down - from the drop-down list all available save options can be picked

  • Feedback: Having an actions button and then display the options seems too much clicking to the group - the group votes for having a default option - so that at least one action can be performed with one click

• Autosave is raised as an alternatove or additional option for the save button

  • Phil in chat: Would an autosave after 60 secs and every minute after be an option for 'save and continue'?

  • Laura in chat as a response: Some of us don't want autosave, as we like the option to back out if we have made errors

  • Jackie agrees in chat: Exactly!

  • Thomas in chat: Agreed.. I fell it would be risky without a roll back feature

  • Laura in chat: that is, just close to revert to previous version

  • Phil: the need and "risk" may be different in different apps - e.g. Licenses (yes/no change) vs. Inventory (complicated cataloguing changes)

• Owen in chat: The “save & keep editing” option might need some thought as I understand in quickmarc there are some issues with the screen refreshing on save

• Raegan agrees: reloading takes a lot of time - you need to scroll back to the accordion/information where you have left - that takes too much time

• Zak: we need to agree on a pattern that will then work across all apps

Please vote on your preferred options via this survey: https://forms.gle/uvpA6VjZ1yENTyvm7. The survey can be shared. Deadline Sep 19, 2023  end of day.

The results, requirements and next steps will be discussed on Sep 20, 2023.

Next steps

Chat

18:01:45 From Martina Schildt | VZG To Everyone:
    2023-09-11 Meeting notes: UI options for "save" button | part II
18:05:20 From Laura Daniels To Everyone:
    I'm happy to see so many of my MM colleagues here today.
18:10:49 From Maura Byrne To Everyone:
    I like the idea of a “Save” button and a “Save and…” button.  Could they have keyboard shortcuts, so we wouldn’t have to use a mouse?
18:12:53 From Thomas Trutt To Everyone:
    Replying to "I like the idea of a..."
    
    If so a variation like CTL+ S for Save and CTL+SHIFT+S for save and —, would be nice and hopefully easy to remember.
18:13:05 From Laura Daniels To Everyone:
    Reacted to "If so a variation li..." with ➕
18:13:08 From Maura Byrne To Everyone:
    Reacted to "If so a variation li..." with ➕
18:14:26 From Thomas Trutt To Everyone:
    Actually in another meeting a while back someone suggested a ‘dumb’ system for users preferences. It would be a new app but basically just a datastore.
18:17:04 From Phil Adams To Everyone:
    Thanks for the presentation. I easily understand 'Save' as meaning 'Save and continue, keep editing'
18:17:51 From Laura Daniels To Everyone:
    I'm also a fan of the short labels (might be easier to translate also?)
18:17:59 From Maura Byrne To Everyone:
    Reacted to "I'm also a fan of th..." with 👍
18:18:03 From Phil Adams To Everyone:
    Reacted to "I'm also a fan of th..." with 👍
18:18:23 From Thomas Trutt To Everyone:
    Reacted to "I'm also a fan of th..." with 💯
18:18:36 From Gill Osguthorpe To Everyone:
    Reacted to "Thanks for the prese..." with 👍🏼
18:18:41 From Gill Osguthorpe To Everyone:
    Reacted to "I'm also a fan of th..." with 👍
18:18:45 From Jackie Magagnosc To Everyone:
    Reacted to "I'm also a fan of th..." with 👍
18:18:46 From Phil Adams To Everyone:
    Save and copy might be another useful option
18:18:56 From Maura Byrne To Everyone:
    Reacted to "Thanks for the prese..." with 👍🏼
18:20:26 From Jackie Magagnosc To Everyone:
    Having consistent options and behaviors across apps would be such a huge gain.
18:20:50 From Laura Daniels To Everyone:
    thank you for keeping our expectations realistic, Zak
18:21:24 From Maura Byrne To Everyone:
    Reacted to "Having consistent op..." with 👍
18:21:27 From Natascha Owens To Everyone:
    Reacted to "Having consistent op..." with 👍
18:21:29 From Phil Adams To Everyone:
    Reacted to "Having consistent op..." with 👍
18:21:35 From Maura Byrne To Everyone:
    Reacted to "thank you for keepin..." with 💯
18:21:50 From Phil Adams To Everyone:
    Reacted to "thank you for keepin..." with 👍
18:21:56 From Dung-Lan Chen To Everyone:
    Reacted to "Having consistent op..." with 👍
18:23:44 From Dung-Lan Chen To Everyone:
    +1 to Laura
18:24:08 From Natascha Owens To Everyone:
    I am just a bit unsure about how long the list might get depending on how many options we introduce and then have that repeated in the Primary button action list
18:24:51 From Maura Byrne To Everyone:
    Big Yes for Thomas’s point
18:26:07 From Thomas Trutt To Everyone:
    The solid background is usually used for the ‘default’ option, so I can see that.
18:28:12 From Dung-Lan Chen To Everyone:
    Yes, reducing clicking is important to my staff.
18:28:20 From Thomas Trutt To Everyone:
    Replying to "I am just a bit unsu..."
    
    To Zak’s point it I think this would depend on each app and probably each form. What options are added by the devs for that app/form.
18:28:26 From Kristin Martin To Everyone:
    Reacted to "Yes, reducing clicki..." with 👍
18:28:31 From Jackie Magagnosc To Everyone:
    Reacted to "Yes, reducing clicki..." with 👍
18:28:35 From Laura Daniels To Everyone:
    Reacted to "Yes, reducing clicki..." with 👍
18:30:06 From Kristin Martin To Everyone:
    Save and Keep Editing feels like it should be the primary option.
18:30:19 From Jackie Magagnosc To Everyone:
    Reacted to "Save and Keep Editin..." with 👍
18:31:48 From Thomas Trutt To Everyone:
    Agreed..  I think it also follows patterns already out there.
18:32:14 From Phil Adams To Everyone:
    Would an autosave after 60 secs and every minute after be an option for 'save and continue'?
18:32:57 From Laura Daniels To Everyone:
    Replying to "Would an autosave af..."
    
    Some of us don't want autosave, as we like the option to back out if we have made errors
18:33:07 From Jackie Magagnosc To Everyone:
    Replying to "Would an autosave af..."
    
    Exactly!
18:33:18 From Thomas Trutt To Everyone:
    Replying to "Would an autosave af..."
    
    Agreed.. I fell it would be risky without a roll back feature
18:33:19 From Laura Daniels To Everyone:
    Replying to "Would an autosave af..."
    
    that is, just close to revert to previous version
18:33:38 From Maura Byrne To Everyone:
    Reacted to "that is, just close ..." with 👍
18:34:12 From Owen Stephens To Everyone:
    The “save & keep editing” option might need some thought as I understand in quickmarc there are some issues with the screen refreshing on save
18:34:24 From Laura Daniels To Everyone:
    Reacted to "The “save & keep edi..." with ☝️
18:35:32 From Natascha Owens To Everyone:
    I'm sure I would be happy with any of these options but would love for my coworkers to get a chance to vote--is voting open to anyone?
18:36:35 From Maura Byrne To Everyone:
    Replying to "I'm sure I would be ..."
    
    Maybe you can show the mockups to your staff, and see which they prefer, and you can have a “departmental” vote.

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