Date

06 Mar 2024

Housekeeping

Convener and notes: Martina Schildt
Next meeting: 11 Mar 2024

Discussion items

Possible solutions for problem statements on AGR and INV relationship Owen Stephens

Minutes

description of resources is core function of Inventory > that's why a link to Inventory is needed
question: what is the approach to having these things described?
Sara: some formats are not containerd in KBs we are linking to > so users need to put them in Inventory
applies to resources that are not traditionally managed by KBs
the description part should be shown paired down > example: how orders displays titles from Inventory
example: video
- is described in Inventory and displayed in Discovery
- needed: link in Agreements
some libraries double for ebooks or streaming (Agreements, Inventory)
Laura in chat: I would love for something like the URL (MARC 856) to come from somewhere other than the marc (or other) source bib record
we should not replicate what Inventory is doing
there are different external processes that need to be taken into consideration (e.g. Union Catalogue)
we are not talking about article level here
Kristin: we are not going to solve the whole problem > focus on what parts can we solved
goal: reduce duplicate labour
at this point: we should not over-complicate things
it would be great to link directly from an agreement to an Inventory record
at least: Supplementary Documents URL option would help in Agreements
Charlotte in chat: Could the Instance look up module be accessed from Agreement, and then the linking done via the the look up module - exactly like how the POL look up works
in Agreements it is not a two way link > question: does it need to be?
Laura in chat: those 2-way connections really worry me... they seem fragile - Maura agrees
Sara: wee need to avoid to much clicking to find the resource that I would like to point to
Sara: ideally there would be a package AGL and title AGLs
- package AGL links to HLM
- individual AGLs link to individual POLs (ebooks are ordered individually)
Think about:
- If I had everything I need - what would that look like | in a perfect world what do you want
- what would the minimal approach be < what would be the bare minimum

Next steps

Identify what can be solved
Identify what the minimal needs are
Come back to this discussion rather sooner than later
Discussion with technical input on application to aplication linkage of this type
Get guidelines or information on standard approach for storing a link
figuring out where the connecting points are that make sense to have those connection/integration happen

Chat

00:16:35	Kristin Martin:	We do double too for ebooks
00:16:46	Kristin Martin:	And streaming.
00:21:58	Laura Daniels:	I would love for something like the URL (MARC 856) to come from somewhere other than the marc (or other) source bib record
00:24:32	Owen Stephens:	Iâ€™d say a KB is a bit more layered in what it does, but Iâ€™d agree that the â€œwhat is the picture nowâ€ is a limitation typically
00:25:19	Owen Stephens:	Where do you record that Kristin?
00:25:37	scolglaz:	We do something similar with the 0359|
00:25:49	Martina Schildt | VZG:	It would be great if we could come to a point where we have solved what we can solve and accept what can't be done
00:25:54	Owen Stephens:	Reacted to "We do something simi..." with ðŸ‘
00:26:13	Maura Byrne:	Reacted to "It would be great if..." with ðŸ‘
00:26:15	Laura Daniels:	The conflation of inventory (lower case "i") management with rich bibliographic descriptions for public discovery is also somewhat problematic, in my mind
00:26:30	Dung-Lan Chen:	Reacted to "It would be great if..." with ðŸ‘
00:26:40	Owen Stephens:	Yeah - Iâ€™m a big believer that holdings is the right place for the 856, but itâ€™s often in the bib
00:26:47	Laura Daniels:	Reacted to "Yeah - Iâ€™m a big bel..." with ðŸ’¯
00:26:59	scolglaz:	We also have the 856 in the HOL and only there
00:27:05	Owen Stephens:	Reacted to "We also have the 856..." with ðŸ‘
00:27:05	Laura Daniels:	we shove lots of data into bibs because MARC lets us
00:27:28	Owen Stephens:	Reacted to "we shove lots of dat..." with ðŸ˜‚
00:28:00	Owen Stephens:	I could see Agreements offering a slightly more loose connectionâ€¦ but there are challenges
00:28:01	scolglaz:	Well, I should have said, we have the URL in our HOL and no 856 in the MARC SRS etc
00:29:08	Khalilah (EBSCO):	Must leave for next meeting. Thank you Owen for the discussion.
00:29:17	Martina Schildt | VZG:	Reacted to "Must leave for next ..." with ðŸ™
00:29:57	Owen Stephens:	Reacted to "Must leave for next ..." with ðŸ™
00:29:58	Kristin Martin:	Yeah, and our 957 field with the Agreement line name sort of provides that link. We do the same thing with copying the link.
00:30:39	Charlotte Whitt:	Could the Instance look up module be accessed from Agreement, and then the linking done via the the look up module
00:30:53	Charlotte Whitt:	Yes exactly like how the POL look up works
00:31:21	Martina Schildt | VZG:	Reacted to "Yes exactly like how..." with ðŸ‘
00:32:55	Laura Daniels:	In such cases, does Inventory need to "know" about the agreement?
00:34:24	Laura Daniels:	those 2-way connections really worry me... they seem fragile
00:34:27	scolglaz:	Just Instance really
00:34:37	scolglaz:	And a single one at that!!
00:34:41	Maura Byrne:	Reacted to "those 2-way connecti..." with ðŸ’¯
00:56:13	Dung-Lan Chen:	figuring out where the connecting points are that makes sense to have those connection/integration happen.
00:58:20	Owen Stephens:	Reacted to "figuring out where t..." with ðŸ‘
01:00:42	Charlotte Whitt:	So I was looking for more information about data in sync across apps, and storage, and found this technical doc written by Raman Auramau (2022) - https://folio-org.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/DD/pages/1780396/FOLIO+Cross-Application+Data+Sync+Solution

Attendees

Present	Name	Home Organization
	Amanda Ros	TAMU
	Brooks Travis	EBSCO
x	Charlotte Whitt	Index Data
	Dennis Bridges	EBSCO
x	Dung-Lan Chen	Skidmore College
	Gill Osguthorpe	UX/UI Designer - K-Int
x	Heather McMillan Thoele	TAMU
	Ian Ibbotson	Developer Lead - K-Int
	Jana Freytag	VZG, Göttingen
x	Khalilah Gambrell	EBSCO
	Kimberly Pamplin
x	Kristin Martin	Chicago
x	Laura Daniels	Cornell
	Lloyd Chittenden	Marmot Library Network
	Marc Johnson	K-Int
x	Martina Schildt	VZG, Göttingen
	Martina Tumulla	hbz, Cologne
x	Maura Byrne	Chicago
	Mike Gorrell	Index Data
	Mike Taylor	Index Data
	Natascha Owens	Chicago
x	Owen Stephens	Product Owner - Owen Stephens Consulting
	Patty Wanninger	EBSCO
x	Sara Colglazier	Five Colleges / Mount Holyoke College Library
	Kimie Kester	EBSCO
	John Coburn	EBSCO
	Zak Burke	EBSCO
	Corrie Hutchinson	Index Data
	Lisa McColl	Lehigh
	Jean Pajerek	Cornell
	Mark Veksler
	Scott Perry	U. of Chicago
	Sharon Belaine	Cornell
	vbar
	Natalya Pikulik	Cornell
	Kara Hart
x	Cathy Tuohy
	Jamie Jesanis
	Tara Barnett	Index Data

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